Evidence of meeting #46 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was murder.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Head  Commissioner, Correctional Service Canada
Allan Manson  Professor, Queen's University, Faculty of Law, As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

That would be fine, and we'll circulate it from there.

I just need some direction from the committee. Do you want that witness to come, or are we moving directly into clause-by-clause?

The witness is someone by the name of Richard Sauvé.

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Joe Comartin NDP Windsor—Tecumseh, ON

He's one of the people who has been through it successfully.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

We also have the minister coming on the 16th on Bill C-52, and my guess is it's going to take some time. We have at least four, if not five, amendments, government amendments on Bill C-36. So for me to add him, I'm going to need specific direction from the committee.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

I would like to hear from someone who's been through this process, and from what Mr. Comartin tells us--

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Okay, so you do. Mr. Comartin obviously does.

5:25 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

--this witness that he suggests we have....

Is he available on the 16th?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

If the witness is available, given the fact that a majority on the committee want to hear the witness, we will have.... I'm discerning a consensus here; not a consensus....

Okay, why don't I just call for a vote? How many are in favour of hearing one additional witness on November 16?

5:25 p.m.

An hon. member

Are we going to get to clause-by-clause on the 16th?

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

I have no idea.

5:25 p.m.

An hon. member

Well, it kind of matters.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB

We would like to move to clause-by-clause on the 16th. We had a discussion about moving to clause-by-clause today. We're prepared to have clause-by-clause today, and now I see this being dragged out. We keep bringing out new witnesses on language.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Mr. Comartin, the majority want to bring in your witness, but please, in the future--I'm not lecturing you--for my benefit, when we ask for a list of witnesses.... That probably happened about a month ago, and now at the last minute, we add another witness; it does throw some difficulty into the process.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

Mr. Chairman, a point of information.

Lead us here; we're all amenable. You're going to have witnesses for what times, and then we're going to get into clause-by-clause by what time? On the 16th, that is.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

We've just received this request from Mr. Comartin, so the clerk and I haven't decided.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

What do you think is a good idea? You're the chair.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

You shouldn't ask me that question. You may want to ask Mr. Moore what a good idea is.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

We have witnesses for an hour. Witnesses for an hour and clause-by-clause for an hour. Can we do that?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

No, because we have the minister coming on Bill C-52 on the 16th of November. That's the difficulty here. Had we known--

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

May I propose that we have the minister--I'm assuming we have him for an hour.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

That's correct.

5:30 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

We then move to the witness Mr. Comartin suggested and this committee voted to hear from. If there's time, then we move to clause-by-clause on Bill C-36. If not, it becomes the first order of business on Wednesday, the 18th.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

All right. We will hear the witness on the 16th. We will schedule clause-by-clause for the 16th as well and we'll see where it goes at that point.

The meeting is adjourned.