Evidence of meeting #35 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was process.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Don Head  Commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada
Marie-France Pelletier  Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board
Gilles Trudeau  Director, Office of Criminal Affairs and Matters, Barreau du Québec
Michael Mandelcorn  Regional Director, Criminal Lawyers' Association
Ed McIsaac  Interim Director of Policy, John Howard Society of Canada
Rick Sauvé  As an Individual

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I'm just wondering about this.

Mr. Head, are you a lawyer?

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Commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

Ms. Pelletier?

Yes, you're a lawyer.

Do you know what “serious time” means legally? I just didn't know, and I was curious if it meant anything.

Monsieur Trudeau or Ms. Pelletier, I need some help here.

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Director, Office of Criminal Affairs and Matters, Barreau du Québec

Gilles Trudeau

I didn't understand your question, because there was a lot of noise behind us.

Would you like to rephrase your question? I did not understand your question, There was a lot of noise—

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I'm going to let you off the hook, because I know the French version of clause 1 works for you. But then—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Mr. Lee, your four minutes are up. But I will give you—

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

I asked Ms. Pelletier to respond to this.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Very quickly.

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

Marie-France Pelletier

Unfortunately, honourable member, I think it would be beyond the purview of my role to provide legal advice to this committee. I'm afraid I won't be able to answer your question.

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

You wouldn't know what that meant in your role on the parole board then?

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

Marie-France Pelletier

It's not an issue for us to interpret at the board.

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Liberal

Derek Lee Liberal Scarborough—Rouge River, ON

At this time.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Thank you.

Monsieur Lemay, you have four minutes as well.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Ms. Pelletier, I have a question for you. When someone is sentenced to imprisonment for life, they remain under the jurisdiction of the parole board for the rest of their life. Have I understood that correctly?

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

Marie-France Pelletier

They remain under the supervision of the Correctional Service, yes.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

They remain under the supervision of the Correctional Service for the rest of their life.

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Even if they are released, even if they receive a sentence reduction, they are under the Correctional Service for the rest of their life?

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

Marie-France Pelletier

Absolutely. Parole doesn't mean that the person isn't serving their sentence any more.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

They are free as the air and may do anything they like.

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Executive Vice-Chairperson, National Parole Board

Marie-France Pelletier

Absolutely not. They are under the supervision of the Correctional Service.

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

There we are.

Mr. Head, on October 10, 2010, there were 4,774 inmates serving a life sentence. Since 1987 there have been 181 decisions. So a very small minority have made applications.

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Commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada

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Bloc

Marc Lemay Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Of those 181 decisions, 145 have resulted in a sentence reduction. If I understood you correctly, there have been only two failures, that is, only two people, out of all of the people who have been released, who have re-offended with violence.

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Commissioner, Correctional Service of Canada

Don Head

That's right.