Evidence of meeting #47 for Justice and Human Rights in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was need.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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NDP
Pierre Jacob NDP Brome—Missisquoi, QC
I also think that the time has come to be transparent and to call a spade a spade. I suggest that we do our job, that we let democracy speak and that we move on to the witnesses, who are waiting impatiently.
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
That's the last comment on this issue.
In any case, my ruling was overturned. So we must put the question on the amended motion, which calls for the meeting to continue in camera.
We will hold a recorded division.
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NDP
Raymond Côté NDP Beauport—Limoilou, QC
I would like to clarify what the vote is about. Are we voting on the amendment?
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
The vote is on the amended motion, which calls for us to deal with the motion in camera.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative Delta—Richmond East, BC
—just so that we know, when we're voting yes or no, exactly what we're voting on.
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
Mr. Jean presented the amendment, so maybe he can read how it would fit. He's very experienced.
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Liberal
Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC
He should read the amended motion because we will vote on the entire motion as amended.
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Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
I'm sorry, I didn't get translation on that.
No, Madam Chair, my amendment is “That the committee shall immediately go in camera to discuss” and then continue on with the wording of his motion. It would only be amended by placing those words at the front of his motion.
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Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Of course it is, Madam Chair. It's the first sentence of the motion, so it's an addition.
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
Okay, that's what I wanted to know. So the request to continue the meeting in camera would be placed at the beginning of the motion.
So here is the motion on which we are voting. In its introduction, the motion calls for us to continue the meeting in camera.
So let's hold the vote on the motion with that addition.
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Liberal
Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC
Unless I am mistaken, we are taking what Mr. Jean read and adding the following to it:
That the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights conduct a study on the subject matter of the section of Bill C-45, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on March 29, 2012 and other measures, which directly fall within the mandate of this committee, namely Part 4, Division 9, the Judges Act, and report of its findings to the House no later than Monday, November 5.
If I am not mistaken, this is what people want to vote secretly on.
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
Mr. Jean says that's not it.
As you have proposed the amendment, can you clarify?
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Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
I did not say that. I don't believe that my honourable colleague across the way dealt with the issue of “discuss”, that we would go immediately in camera to discuss. I didn't say that we would vote for it, and that's what I heard in the translation.
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
Your amendment is to say “That the committee shall go immediately in camera to discuss” and then we continue with the text of the motion. Is that okay?
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Conservative
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NDP
The Vice-Chair NDP Françoise Boivin
That's satisfactory. That's why I was reversed. Excellent. Now that everybody's clear on how they voted previously, that's really nice.
Let's go ahead and vote.
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NDP