Evidence of meeting #56 for National Defence in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was afghanistan.

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A.J. Howard  Director General, Operations, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence
Raymond Henault  Chairman, Military Committee, North Atlantic Treaty Organization

8:50 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome, everyone, this morning. We have two parts to our meeting. From 8:50 to 9:30 we have General Howard with our regular briefing, and then I will take a short recess after his presentation and we have General Henault here today answering our request. We appreciate that.

To start, we'll do it in the usual fashion. We'll open it up for General Howard to make his presentation and then we'll have a quick round of questions, one from each party. I hope, sir, you can enlighten us on the recent developments. The floor is yours.

8:50 a.m.

Brigadier-General A.J. Howard Director General, Operations, Strategic Joint Staff, Department of National Defence

Mr. Chairman, honourable members of Parliament, good morning.

I'm here to provide you with a short update of Canadian Forces operations in Afghanistan. My presentation will aim to update you primarily on security issues from the last several weeks, and I'm prepared following my presentation to provide any clarification on the issues presented, if I can.

As you asked me last time I was here before the committee, I intend to provide you with some additional information on the reconstruction efforts. I have provided the clerk with a CD that has a number of photos on a lot of the work that has been done, and you could see the clerk if you want a pictorial representation of some of the Canadian reconstruction efforts.

Understanding that I'll be followed by General Henault, chairman of the NATO military committee, who will provide you with information from a higher NATO level, let me jump right to regional command south, where the main effort over the last several weeks has continued to be the provision of security in the region in setting conditions for further development, particularly in Kandahar City and the Kandahar Afghan development zone, which are very important, not only to Afghans but to Canadians. That's the area we operate in.

Overall, the Taliban have encountered difficulties in mounting significant operations in the south. They continue to resort to bullying and in some cases injuring or killing local Afghans, and they indiscriminately use land mines, improvised explosive devices, and rocket-propelled grenades against Afghan national security forces.

The job of ISAF in the southern region has been focused on protecting Afghans and those trying to help them by attempting to disrupt Taliban actions, seizing their weapons, and the like. The arrival of milder spring weather and the end of the poppy harvest has not resulted in a dramatic increase in Taliban activity, and this is a good sign down in the southern region, especially if I compare it to the situation we found ourselves in last year, or even the years before that. I see a considerable reduction.

In Helmand province, the U.K.-led successful operations in the vicinity of Sangin, which I briefed you on last time during Operation Achilles—which you'll recall was aimed at, in part, creating the necessary conditions to help the international community improve the Kajaki Dam—have come to a conclusion. Security presence operations by the U.K. and Afghan national security forces continue in and around the Kajaki Dam to permit its refurbishment.

As you will have heard, yesterday a Chinook helicopter crashed in this area. A Canadian Forces member, Master Corporal Priede, was on this aircraft. I can confirm that Master Corporal Priede did die. However, the details of the incident are pretty sketchy at this point. It will take a thorough investigation to determine what happened, and that will occur over the days and weeks ahead.

At this point, my thoughts are very much with the family of Master Corporal Priede. He's a hero for what he's accomplished in helping do his bit in ISAF and helping local Afghans.

The Canadian artillery support that was provided to Task Force Helmand during Operation Achilles is now complete, and those guns, a pair of howitzers, have returned to Kandahar province.

Task Force Helmand now has switched its main focus to the provision of security to the provincial capital and the Afghan development zone of Lashkar Gah and the area south of Highway 1 to provide security and allow reconstruction and development projects to continue.

In Oruzgan and Zabul provinces, the focus hasn't changed much since I've briefed you over the months. It continues to be focused on the provincial centres of Tarin Kowt and Zabul, where ISAF looks to enhance Afghan development zones and to maintain security along Highway 1.

Task Force Kandahar, based primarily on the Canadian Joint Task Force Afghanistan, remains focused on security, reconstruction, and development in the Panjwai-Zhari area of operations since I was last here—really, no change to that.

The green oval on the left-hand side of the chart before you points to the Zhari–Panjwai area, where the bulk of our battle group effort has been focused. Our aim in this region is quite simple—to ensure security.

The positive trends that I briefed you on during my last appearance continue, as we see more families. Some 30,000 people have actually returned to this area over the last several months, and the numbers continue to grow. Also, the positive economic revival, albeit slow, is indeed evident through this region.

Our commitment to the Afghans in this region is very strong. Hundreds of Afghan and Canadian soldiers are involved in a variety of activities that include security of key routes, such as Route Summit, and the patrols that aim to protect and shield local Afghans from Taliban activities. For example, you will have seen the media reporting on Operation Hoover. This one-day operation was part of the ongoing effort to support local Afghans in securing the Zhari-Panjwai region. The operation supported Afghan National Army efforts to discover Taliban elements in the region and to seize their weapons. Operation Hoover involved hundreds of Afghan national security forces, and this is a very positive trend. The number of Afghans involved in their own security in this region now number in the hundreds. This is remarkable and is a positive trend.

While engagements with the insurgents were actually limited during this operation, Afghan national security forces and the Joint Task Force Afghanistan achieved the aim of demonstrating freedom of movement and disrupting any Taliban attempts to consolidate in the region. However, and unfortunately, in the course of that operation Corporal Matthew McCully, a member of the Joint Task Force Afghanistan operational mentor and liaison team, affectionately known by the troops as the OMLT, was killed. All of us in the CF pour out our sympathy to Corporal McCully's family. Our soldiers are putting their lives on the line every day to help Afghans to achieve a better future. We can all be proud of their selfless accomplishments and we are humbled by their sacrifices.

Let me now turn to the green oval on the right-hand side of the slide, down towards the bottom. The battle group reconnaissance squadron has deployed out of the Zhari–Panjwai area and to forward operating base, Spin Buldak. Spin Buldak is a town right on the Afghan–Pakistan border. From there, the squadron has been defining patterns of life in the Spin Buldak district, determining the effectiveness and disposition of Afghan national security forces and locating Taliban lines of communication. This operation has been part of the effort to improve border security and to facilitate the expansion of the Kandahar Afghan development zone. Significant progress has been made in developing an understanding of this region, and I would anticipate that they will be there for many weeks to come.

Confidence-building does not end at the Afghan border, and I'd like to highlight another important ISAF Canadian initiative in this regard. Brigadier General Grant and Brigadier General Niazi—General Niazi is the commander of the Pakistan military's northern sector—co-chaired the fifth border flag meeting in Chaman, Pakistan, on May 9. The border flag meetings are an ISAF initiative conducted at various Afghan and Pakistani border locations. They were created as a means to bring together Pakistani and Afghan military officers from the border areas to discuss regional issues of mutual concern, with the coordination of ISAF.

This was the first meeting coordinated by the JTF, the Joint Task Force in Afghanistan, and the second chaired by Brigadier-General Grant. This meeting brings together important security officers from both sides of the Afghan and Pakistani borders. There has been significant progress made in the setting up of radio communications between the two frontiers to help defuse inflammatory situations and to coordinate operations in the border areas.

Brigadier-General Niazi has noted that this border flag meeting was an opportunity to make new friends and he congratulated the JTF for its activities in Afghanistan, which he said contributed to the security of Pakistan. Brigadier-General Grant emphasized the fact that security issues should be worked on together and that mutually acceptable solutions should be decided upon by both sides of the border.

Cross-border communications have long been strained in this region. Continued bilateral discussions are a significant accomplishment. Regardless of how modest they might outwardly appear, this is good Canadian action, as I see it, the ability to sit down and negotiate. This is a great initiative that obviously will continue.

In its role as a facilitator, ISAF can support a process to develop and sustain this essential dialogue at a regional level. The next meeting will occur later this summer.

Turning now to reconstruction, let me provide a little more information than I usually do on this important activity. As I mentioned, I've provided the clerk with a CD that has many more examples of the photos of our reconstruction efforts. You can review the CD at your leisure.

Canada has provided significant assistance to agriculture, irrigation, and rural development in Kandahar province. For example, over 10 kilometres of canals have been built and 14 kilometres of drainage systems repaired. While that might not sound like much, when you're living in a desert, each inch counts.

In addition, over 1,000 wells have been dug and 800 hand pumps provided. Four large water reservoirs are now in operation, and many kilometres of water supply networks have been established in the province.

The United Nations Mine Action Centre for Afghanistan began a clearance operation in the Panjwayi district. NATO financed the project to the tune of $3.8 million. It will involve up to 300 mine clearers and 100 security guards coming from 4 different contractors.

The nine-month project will clear almost 300 hectares in the Panjwayi and Zhari districts. There will be regular coordination between the service and the JTF in Afghanistan throughout the operation. Brigadier-General Grant, the JTF (Afghanistan) commander, signed a letter of agreement detailing the support activities for the action centre, including the delivery of an operation intended to establish conditions for the arrival of other international and non-governmental organizations in the region.

The real effect of Joint Task Force Afghanistan development efforts is starting to bear fruit. The national solidarity program, paid largely by Canada, in the Kandahar province has been initiated in the majority of districts. Created by the Government of Afghanistan, the NSP gives rural Afghans a voice in their country's development through the election of community leaders to community development councils, or CDCs. The program supports the CDCs to lead their communities through processes to identify, plan, manage, and monitor their own development projects.

As I've described to you before, it's not Canadians who need to be out in front doing this development but the local Afghans themselves. Our PRT is working overtime across government to create these development councils. As a result, communities are empowered to make decisions and control resources during all stages of the project cycle. The PRT facilitates the creation of CDCs in local communities and development efforts with local elders, through the shura.

There are now 500 registered community development councils across the province that are linking into project funds available through the Ministry of Rural Rehabilitation and Development. International money comes in at the top and will funnel through this ministry. Certainly in Kandahar province there's a fair degree of activity.

Another positive sign is the active involvement of the Kandahar governor in this process; it doesn't point to an improvement in the governance. Now, while he lacks the bureaucracy to back him up, he does his work on the end of a cellphone with local elders. He would be much better off if he had a large bureaucracy under him, but that will come in time. He is—and Afghans do see progress—working toward solutions to improve their lives.

Finally, facilitating the growth and independence of Afghan national security forces through education, the provision of equipment, the building or outfitting of police stations and check-points with vehicles is a key component of the Canadian Forces' efforts in the Kandahar province. We were involved in the facilitation of the construction and outfitting of the above-mentioned police stations and some 15 temporary and permanent check-points with vehicles in the province.

I've only been able to cover a few elements of the reconstruction. The CD shows many more. I'd be happy to provide additional information, if required by the committee.

On the next slide, I'll just focus a little bit more on the last several weeks of the PRT, which has aimed its main effort in the Zhari District. Not only are we conducting operations there to reassure the local Afghans that we're going to stay and to bring their security forces to bear, but it's also where the PRT works to help with development to facilitate a little bit of reconstruction, and where we really want the international community to come and give us a hand.

The slide depicts a number of the activities that have been accomplished or undertaken. And while I don't have the time to address them all, let me give you a couple of examples.

The provincial director of education held an event to commemorate teachers in Kandahar province. The PRT assisted with the provision of radios—to add to those the director has already received—as part of a plan to connect all of the director's teachers to some form of media, no matter how far away they reside from densely populated urban areas.

The teachers' day took place on May 24. It consisted of a ceremony, including speeches by the director of education and the governor of Kandahar. There were songs by student choirs, a presentation of awards and a luncheon, things we take for granted back here.

The soldiers and the civilians who work within the PRT facilitate many, many activities like that, but it is one that was accomplished on May 24.

Another example is the 20 trucks for the newly identified Afghan national police, which arrived at the regional education centre and are awaiting distribution. They are to be distributed in Kandahar province to replace the existing vehicles or to increase their number.

Moreover, counsellors from the civilian police facilitated the issue of summer uniforms for the Afghan national police at provincial headquarters, to be sent to substations or check-points in the province. A computer system was provided to the technical directors by the counsellors of the civilian police, to help them with the distribution and inventory of the uniforms.

Finally, on May 15 the provincial reconstruction team and the Afghanistan Independent Human Rights Commission played host to a meeting on human rights with Kandahar's Afghan national security forces and other security and justice sector leadership. The workshop was a constructive first step in what appears will be an ongoing dialogue between the security forces and the AIHRC. At the conclusion of the meeting, participants signed a short declaration outlining their commitment to human rights and the rule of law, with particular focus on individuals in custody, under investigation, and undergoing trial. Again, it's a small step, but I think a very positive one as we try to help focus Afghans on their own judicial and security reform.

On the next slide you will see that the strategic advisory team continues to busy itself with many important initiatives. Again, I could spend a considerable amount of time talking about all these initiatives, but I'll limit this to just two.

The independent commission on administrative reform and the public service is the main agency in Afghanistan for the reform process of the public administration in general. The United Nations supports the establishment of a national framework for the education and development of Afghani officials. Within the commission, the SAT, the Strategic Advisory Team, assisted with the submission of four evaluation reports on the reconstruction service and Afghan development for World Bank projects. The SAT provided assistance in many areas, but served mainly to provide assistance for the written English.

Again, they are small steps, but it is assistance that Afghans need to help them do planning and formalize some of their key activities.

On the Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation, the SAT is involved in two major initiatives. The first is to advertise for the hiring of a project implementation unit that will provide the ministry with a badly needed engineering department to move a backlog of rehabilitation projects forward, while performing capacity-building to hand over this responsibility to the ministry within three years.

The second initiative is a contract for out-of-country training that the ministry firefighting students will undergo. This internationally compliant training is crucial for airport firefighting if the ministry is to meet its international civil requirements and take the task from ISAF. These milestones could have lasting impact on the civil aviation sector in Afghanistan. So the SAT continues to assist the bureaucracy in drawing up strategic plans. It is tremendously important to open airheads. It's not simply a Canadian activity; it's country-wide. To see this sort of activity going on is a good measure.

I don't want to be over the top again and dispel some of the challenges, but certainly you see the activities your SAT is up to.

Until May the Canadian Forces observer, mentoring, and liaison team, or OMLT, was responsible for the mentorship of one Afghan National Army battalion, or Kandak, as it's referred to, within the Kandahar province.

I remember when I first came to the committee we were talking about dozens, then there were a couple of hundred, and now we're talking about hundreds of ANA. It started as a very small step forward in Kandahar province. There was almost no Afghan National Army when we first arrived. We saw that build up to one Afghan National Army battalion that our troops were involved with. In fact, Corporal McCully was working with this Afghan battalion when he was killed.

As the Afghan National Army continues to expand, so too will its presence in Kandahar province. On May 15, Canadian Forces assumed mentorship for the Afghan National Army brigade headquarters responsible for the Kandahar province from the U.S. embedded training team. This was a significant milestone, since it represented a continuing trend toward Afghans assuming responsibility for their own security in the south. We anticipate in the months ahead that two additional Kandaks will deploy to Kandahar province, along with combat support and combat service support elements.

The addition of this capacity to the Afghan National Army will complete the capability of setting up the Afghan National Army so that they can sustain two operational kandaks and a brigade headquarters—

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

There is a technical difficulty with the interpretation.

Okay, it's corrected. Proceed.

9:15 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

I will start again.

The addition of this ANA capability will complete the force generation requirement of the Afghan National Army to sustain two operational kandaks and a brigade headquarters on a full-time basis within the Kandahar province. This will considerably improve the Afghan army forces in the province and will also provide Afghanistan with the opportunity to significantly improve the development and security capability of the army.

We are moving from a very scattered ANA presence to a sophisticated, enduring capability. Most of us in uniform are quite excited by what we're seeing here. This is a serious step forward on the security front.

Afghans themselves, senior leaders, have recognized the importance of bringing more Afghan security forces to the Kandahar province. As the numbers increase we will see more of them in the Kandahar province, and this, with additional security, bodes well, and helps beef up our ability to support Afghans and increases development in the full range of activities that we're conducting. It will be a priority for us, for the Canadian Forces who are in the Kandahar province, to work with this brigade and the emerging Kandaks as they come along.

Finally, on May 7 the acquisition of new vehicle-based systems for detecting, investigating, and disposing of explosive threats such as improvised explosive devices and mines was announced. Buried IEDs have become a weapon of choice against the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan.

These new vehicle systems will give commanders highly effective tools that they can use to find and neutralize those IEDs that pose a threat to our soldiers. They will not only improve protection for the soldiers and vehicles using the cleared routes, they will also provide high levels of protection to the clearing crews themselves. This is not only helping our soldiers, it will help local Afghans as well, who tend to be the ones who also get hurt or maimed when IEDs go off. These systems will complement the outstanding service of the RG-31 Nyala armoured infantry patrol vehicle.

The expedient route opening capability, EROC, systems will conduct mounted searches for buried improvised explosive devices using three types of highly specialized vehicles: the Husky, the Buffalo, and the Cougar. The systems will be acquired through the United States military. Use in operations has proven highly successful, and we have worked with the U.S. with these systems in theatre. Canada intends to obtain 16 of these vehicles, including six Husky, five Buffalo, and five of the Cougar vehicles.

The Husky provides the detection capability with a land mine overpass capability with a mounted full-width metal detector, enabling the detection of targets located in the roadbed or along the verges—along the side of the road. Once a target has been detected, the Buffalo will use its extended arm and a remote control camera to physically expose the potential target for verification and identification. The Cougar will transport the explosive ordnance disposal operators, and their vast array of tools, including explosive ordnance disposal robots to dispose of the IED.

Mr. Chairman and honourable members, that concludes my update.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

Thank you, sir.

We have time for a very quick round of questions.

We'll start with Mr. Coderre.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

We have just received an article from the Canadian Press talking about the Chinook. According to the latest reports, it may have been a rocket-propelled grenade that blew it up. I do not want to ask you if that is the case. However, when can we expect to have a final report on yesterday's explosion of the Chinook?

First of all, our thoughts are with Master-Corporal Priede's family. I hope that in light of what we saw yesterday with the Dinning family, this time, instead of playing the blame game and passing the buck, we will make sure that the Priede family does not have to experience the same thing as the Dinning family. To go through mourning is already very painful. We should take that into consideration.

General Howard, maybe you should answer those two questions, and I'll have a series of very short ones afterwards.

9:20 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

The investigation into the Chinook helicopter has already commenced. It is a very difficult endeavour to determine what happened. We must get on the ground, and I would anticipate that in the weeks and months ahead there will certainly be a preliminary report that we will use internally, as fast as we can, to understand what happened.

I'm not an expert in these areas, but typically we try to learn as much as we can right up front. If there needs to be a change in our procedures, we'll do that immediately, even with imprecise information.

But we will follow it all the way through, and certainly at the NATO level, that will occur. This will not be a Canadian investigation, but we will have tremendous interest, because one of our soldiers was involved.

I would also like to pass along my sentiments to the families of Canadian Forces soldiers who are injured or die in theatre. They deserve our admiration. As a Canadian Forces member, I was certainly seized yesterday with the minister and the CDS and their commitment to get to the bottom of these issues for the families.

The CDS laid out that we are a learning organization; we're not perfect. I agree that we want to be perfect in this particular case.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

Anyway, the case was clear. I hope you take notes of that, and at every level the chain of command will respect those families, who deserve our respect.

I have a series of questions.

First, in the Kandahar area, what is the status of the civilians who have been killed through operations?

Second, have we taken some prisoners? How many Taliban have been killed in those operations?

9:20 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

Those specific levels of detail, the numbers, I don't have at my fingertips. I could certainly take that on notice and commit to report back to you, but I don't have the specific numbers on hand.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Denis Coderre Liberal Bourassa, QC

Okay.

Mr. Chair, my colleague has a short question.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

You have one minute and a bit.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

John Cannis Liberal Scarborough Centre, ON

Mr. Chairman, on behalf of my family, I'd like to express my condolences to the Priede family.

I have one quick question, General Howard. In your presentation you talked about land mines, rocket-propelled weapons, if I can quote you, used on the Afghan people. Why would you say that these are being used on the Afghan people, when we have data that these weapons are also being used to kill military staff, not just Canadians but others too? Can you elaborate why you said against Afghan people? Is it just Afghan people who are dying?

9:25 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

No. The Taliban are indiscriminate in their use of these weapons.

If we were to track IEDs, for example, more local Afghans than ISAF soldiers are killed, maimed, and wounded by these weapons. Typically, if an IED is exploded within a city centre, many local Afghans are hurt.

Secondly, I would say that occasionally as the Taliban seek to ambush ISAF forces, for example, they withdraw into local Afghan communities, enticing us to engage them within those population bases.

So yes, I don't mean just local Afghans; they are caught up in this well.

9:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

Thank you, Mr. Cannis.

Mr. Bachand, five minutes.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would like to have a quick answer to my question. This morning, you made a presentation that lasted at least 15 to 20 minutes and I did not hear a single word about anything going badly in Afghanistan.

Is there anything that's going badly in Afghanistan, or is everything going well?

9:25 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

Certainly. As I've mentioned to you several times, the challenges in Afghanistan are immense. I try to bring to the committee some positive light on what is going on there. The first tragedy is that Afghans and Canadian Forces soldiers lose their lives and are maimed.

Without doubt, there are many areas where we have taken tentative steps, both on the governance reconstruction and on the military side.

When I look at the way that country was five years ago, the way it was a year ago, I see some positive trends. That's what I've tried to portray here. But I don't wish to leave you with the idea, which you are pointing me towards, that all is rosy. We do have our challenges.

9:25 a.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

Over the last five years, we have often criticized the government for not doing enough reconstruction or development. As is the case for some of my colleagues, I am just coming back from a NATO meeting. There is another point of friction that seems to be developing: civilian losses. NATO told us that 90% of civilian losses are caused by air attacks.

I would like to hear your comments on that. For example, who decides that aviation must intervene? We are also aware that the army, when taking action, can try to avoid civilian losses. However, it is difficult for a fighter-bomber to discriminate when he is carrying out an aerial attack.

Is there any coordination between the Enduring Freedom operation and NATO forces? The Enduring Freedom operation is still self-sufficient. Who decides to carry out an aerial bombing? Do the commanders of Enduring Freedom notify NATO, for example, when they carry out a bombing?

I would like you to confirm for me that the civilian losses are catastrophic. That is the new bone of contention and it risks turning the Afghan people against us. After having fired upon a village and caused dozens of deaths, we are not so popular in that village anymore.

Can you tell me as much as possible in the time that I have left, please?

9:25 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

I think your question is very important, and as a military officer I can say it weighs on us all heavily as we conduct operations to ensure the safety and security of Afghans. I might suggest that from a NATO perspective you ask General Henault, as he comes forward, to address that issue.

Certainly from a Canadian perspective and our feedback to NATO, none of us want to see this occur. One of the difficulties we have, as I've explained, is when the Taliban decide to engage Canadian Forces, engage any of the coalition forces, and then embed themselves around civilians, extreme caution has to be used.

I cannot address the air force issues. Canadian Forces don't have fighter aircraft in the region. But I know that our land forces have actually broken off engagements in the Zhari-Panjwai area for that exact reason.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

Claude Bachand Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

When a Canadian commander arrives in the village and sees that it is impossible for the ground forces to advance, does he call the air force for support? Who decides if the air force will intervene? Is it a commander on the ground? Who decides if they will proceed or not? Is it the headquarters' commanding officer who gives the authorization to use aircraft?

Would you like me to ask that question of Gen. Henault as well?

9:30 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

No. I would simply say that is done at multiple levels. We're looking for a clear level. Certainly the senior commanders will have established what the protocols are, but it is the people on the ground who need to make the call. They need to decide whether that area is safe to go into. It is an issue NATO is seized with, and I know General Henault can address this issue with more specificity.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rick Casson

Thank you, sir.

Ms. Black, five minutes.

9:30 a.m.

NDP

Dawn Black NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

Thanks again for being with us and for your presentation.

In your presentation you talked about Canadians providing police vehicles. It brought to mind the State Department report that came out last year indicating that over 50% of the vehicles that were provided to the Afghan police disappeared. So as a comment, I hope there's some kind of system keeping track of those vehicles so they don't disappear to wherever the ones from the Americans disappeared.

When you were here in March, you talked about surface-to-air missiles. That was something Canadians were concerned about, or ISAF was concerned about. They were starting to see the potential of those being used by the Taliban. The reports I'm seeing from the media on the Chinook helicopter going down yesterday seem to indicate there's some concern that it came down from a surface-to-air missile. When we talked before, we talked about the situation in Pakistan, the open arms sales in bazaars, the ability to buy almost any kind of weapon without any discretion. Now we're hearing that perhaps arms are coming in from Iran.

I want to know what you know about that, what Canadians know about that, and what might be taking place to try to stop other countries from supplying these kinds of weapons into Afghanistan.

9:30 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

Again, I think this is an excellent question. I can only go so far in an open forum. I think we are very concerned on this issue of arms flowing into Afghanistan.

We certainly have a lot of focus on Pakistan. I mentioned in my briefing some of the border meetings, us trying to deploy along the border to better define what's going on around Spin Buldak and the like. So I think it's going to be more engagement with the team in ISAF and Afghanistan, at a NATO level, to engage others—Iran, Pakistan—to ensure whether there is or is not a flow of arms.

I can't say much here in an open forum, but we are seized with it. I can tell you that for sure.

9:30 a.m.

NDP

Dawn Black NDP New Westminster—Coquitlam, BC

And from Iran as well?

9:30 a.m.

BGen A. J. Howard

You've seen open press reporting on concern with Iranian weapons. We do need to watch that closely. We do want to give Afghans a chance here to stand up as a country, and the flow of foreign arms into the country is not going to be helpful in that regard. I really can't go much further on the specifics of that.