Evidence of meeting #16 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was study.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jay Khosla  Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Martin Aubé  Director General, Strategic Science-Technology Branch, Innovation and Energy Technology Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Terence Hubbard  Director General, Petroleum Resources Branch, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Jeff Labonté  Director General, Energy Safety and Security Branch, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources
Carol Buckley  Director General, Office of Energy Efficiency, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

Joan Crockatt Conservative Calgary Centre, AB

Yes, thank you.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Okay, now—

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Okay, my second—

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

—we have Mr. Regan.

Ms. Duncan, if you would like to respond you can.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I just want to clarify what I asked for.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Go ahead, please, Mr. Regan.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

I just want to say, on this same topic, that if the officials could give us.... We have talked about the kind of information we're looking for. If we were able, for instance, to have a map that extracted those items that I mentioned that are not oil and gas, that would be useful, I think, and interesting.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Do you mean, focusing on the oil and gas sector rather than on all the broad energy sector?

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

Well, I think we should be focusing on the whole energy sector, but in view of the fact that we're not doing that—

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, that's not what the study is.

10:15 a.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

—it would be good to have the map that actually is solely on the oil and gas sector.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Right. That would be helpful.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Mr. Chair, can I just clarify?

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Yes, Ms. Duncan.

10:15 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

The second part of my question was this. In giving the information about the direct and indirect jobs, can they tell us how many of those are associated directly with higher extraction of bitumen or of oil and gas versus cleaner processing?

There were a number of people at the table who asked those questions. I just want to give them the chance to give us the breakdown of the investment of federal dollars in those two aspects. Both create jobs.

10:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You've heard the request and I heard the request. I think it's within the scope of the study. Whether you can get them or not is another issue. We're talking about the oil and gas sector.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

Just ask NSERC.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Do you want to say something, Mr. Khosla?

10:20 a.m.

Assistant Deputy Minister, Energy Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Jay Khosla

Yes. I'm sorry, Chair, and I know everybody wants to go, but the last question was a bit ambiguous in our terms. It spoke of government dollars versus higher extraction and cleaner processing, and then it said “jobs”.

Can I just get a sense.... This may engage a considerable amount of work, depending on how the question is put.

10:20 a.m.

NDP

Linda Duncan NDP Edmonton Strathcona, AB

I'm not asking for anything magical. It's very straightforward. There was a lot of discussion here about where the federal investment is going and where the jobs are being created. All I'm asking is simply whether you can tell us what portion of federal dollars is going into helping the companies extract more resources, whether it's conventional oil and gas or the unconventional, and what percentage is going towards making those systems cleaner. You simply have to go to places such as NSERC and your National Research Council, and maybe your own department.

10:20 a.m.

Director General, Strategic Science-Technology Branch, Innovation and Energy Technology Sector, Department of Natural Resources

Martin Aubé

I can give a quick answer to that.

10:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Well, we've ended the meeting. We're just clarifying that question because I was having a little trouble understanding exactly where Ms. Duncan was trying to go.

This meeting is adjourned. Thank you all very much.