Evidence of meeting #6 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chairman.

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Christiane Villemure  Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources
Magdi Habib  Director General, CanmetMining, Department of Natural Resources

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Good afternoon, everyone.

We're here today, as everyone knows, at our sixth meeting in this session of Parliament of the Standing Committee on Natural Resources to discuss, pursuant to Standing Order 108(2), a study of the rare earths industry in Canada.

We have with us today witnesses from the Department of Natural Resources. We have Christiane Villemure, director general, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch—welcome to you. And we have Magdi Habib, director general, CanmetMining—and welcome to you.

Thank you both very much for being here today.

If you could go ahead with your presentation at the start, and take the time you need for that, then we'll go directly to questions and comments from members.

Go ahead, please.

3:35 p.m.

Christiane Villemure Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources

Very good. Thank you very much.

Mr. Chair, honourable members of the committee, I am the director general of the Natural Resources Canada branch that studies the industry and economic aspects of minerals and metals. My colleague, Dr. Habib, is the director general of the Canmet lab, which is in charge of the scientific aspects of mines.

It's a privilege to be here today and to talk to you about rare earths.

We will see how rare earth markets are relatively small and how they feed into critical uses essential for the high-tech and clean-tech industries, altogether worth trillions of dollars.

While mining rare earth is very similar to mining other commodities, the rare earth field is new and presents some significant S and T challenges for processing and refining rare earth elements. This is important in view of the anticipated shortages of some rare earths, where some Canadian projects show promise, so we will discuss some of the work done by CanmetMining to address these aspects.

What are rare earths? Rare earths are a group of 15 elements, plus yttrium and scandium, that exhibit similar properties and occur in many of the same mineral deposits. Ironically, rare earths are not rare. These elements are fairly abundant on the earth, but rarely occur in concentrations that are economically exploitable. They're found together, often with other elements, and are difficult to separate because many of their properties are similar.

You've probably heard about light and heavy rare earths. Very simply, those elements on the left side of the lanthanite series of the periodic table—on the slide or the diagram that we've shared with you—are considered light rare earths, and those on the right side of the periodic table are heavy rare earths.

Most deposits are rich in light rare earths. They are valued in many applications. Considerably fewer deposits are rich in heavy rare earths, so global production is lower and prices are generally higher. Four heavy rare earth elements—europium, terbium, dysprosium and yttrium, together with neodymium—have been defined as critical by the United States Department of Energy, Japan, and the European Community because of their scarcity, high demand, and criticality in many high-tech applications.

The luminous, magnetic, catalytic and other characteristics are what make rare earths so indispensable.

Hybrid vehicles, rechargeable batteries, mobile phones, LCD screens, laptops, wind turbines, medical imaging equipment, radar systems, catalytic converters, alloys that are more corrosion-resistant, all of these require rare earth elements. There's not an automobile produced today that does not contain dozens of motors powered by permanent magnets containing rare earths.

It's fairly well known that in most of these applications only small amounts of rare earth are required. However, the considerable growth of those industries, now totalling close to $5 trillion, and their innovative technological capacity, are driving greater demands for rare earths. Over the last 10 to 15 years, the world consumption of rare earth elements has increased at 8% to 12% per annum, a trend that experts agree will continue, and may increase.

We can appreciate that even if global production of rare earth is relatively small, about 130,000 tonnes per year, a disruption in supply chains would impact global industries in a significant way. Up until this year, China controlled over 97% of global rare earth production. The States, once domestically self-reliant, has become dependent on imports from China. Two companies have begun to mine rare earths this year, in the States and in Australia. These are predominantly light rare earth mines. They will not produce the critical heavy rare earth elements that global industries require. China will remain the dominant supplier of heavy rare earths until other producers emerge.

According to global analysts, the forecasted demand and supply of rare earths by the year 2020 presents a mixed picture. There may be a significant oversupply of many of the light rare earths impacting the economics and viability of rare earth mines under development elsewhere in the world. In the same timeframe, there may be some significant supply shortages of heavies, those considered critical.

China, the sole supplier of four of these critical rare earths, has implemented a series of gradually more stringent export restrictions and trade bans since 2005. In March 2012, the U.S., Japan, and the European community jointly filed a complaint with the World Trade Organization against China's rare earth export restrictions. Canada is a third-party complainant in this action, and we're expecting the WTO dispute settlement panel report to be released soon.

Moreover, expert analysts forecast that China's heavy rare earth resources will be depleted over the next five to eight years. China will need to replace these resources to supply its domestic industries.

Canada currently imports small tonnages of light rare earth compounds and also imports rare earth permanent magnets, components, and products that contain permanent magnets. Interestingly, Canada's geology is rich in the heavy rare earth resources. Specifically, eight of the twelve advanced rare earth exploration projects contain elevated concentrations of the critical rare earths forecasted to be in deficit.

There are more than 200 individual exploration projects identified in Canada at different stages of development. While Canada does not currently produce rare earths, experts have indicated a strong potential for at least two or more Canadian rare earth projects to come to the marketplace by the year 2018. Interestingly, these advanced projects are rich in critical heavy rare earths. Projects to watch are those that are planned to reach production in the next four to five years: Avalon, Quest, Matamec, Pele Mountain, and Orbite.

We all know that mining itself is complex and an area of incredible innovation, overcoming logistical barriers, engineering, and environmental management challenges. Rare earth elements are all of that, plus some additional challenges. There are complex science and technology challenges throughout the supply chain. Hydrometallurgy, to separate the individual rare earth oxides needed by the manufacturing industries, has been identified as a need by the nascent Canadian rare earth elements industry currently in its formative stages.

Over the past two years, NRCan's CanmetMining has conducted rare earth element research, some in collaboration with industry. Our research is focused on mineral and metallurgical processing challenges that are associated with hard rock deposits, those that we find in Canada.

Specifically, we have projects looking at the mineralogy of Canadian deposits; physical separation to produce high-grade concentrates; through hydrometallurgy, developing separation processes; and understanding any toxicity issues associated with rare earths—although we want to recuperate a maximum amount of these materials. We are also developing certified reference material as quality control tools for analytical laboratories.

In closing, we're dealing with materials with small markets feeding bigger markets, producing goods that are important for our daily life. While NRCan is involved in advancing solutions to address S and T challenges, it is encouraging to watch industry evolve and organize itself.

Mr. Chairman and members of the committee, we would be pleased to answer your questions.

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much for your presentation.

This is a study meant, I think I can safely say, to give us an introduction to the industry, and certainly I've heard a lot of terminology that doesn't really help identify this rare earth element sector clearly. I'm looking forward to questions that would clarify that.

I will take about fifteen minutes at the end of the meeting to deal with two subjects. One is to pass the budget for the committee, or at least look at the budget for this study. The other is to discuss the handling of Bill C-5, which will come to committee. It collapsed in the House today, so it will come to committee next Monday. I want to discuss the time that will be needed to discuss it.

Having said that, let us get directly to questions or comments on the issue we're here to deal with today, starting with Mr. Leef, the best darn MP from the Yukon, for up to seven minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Voices

Oh, oh!

3:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Well, he's the only MP from the Yukon.

3:45 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

He's also the worst.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Well, we ought not to look at things in a negative context.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

That's right. I get both categories at once.

3:45 p.m.

An hon. member

He's also the one with the most hair.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Yes, that's scary, isn't it?

Thank you to both of our witnesses for coming today.

Under the R and D section of your slide, you noted that there was a gap analysis completed to determine areas in which knowledge can be developed. What did the gap analysis tell us?

3:45 p.m.

Magdi Habib Director General, CanmetMining, Department of Natural Resources

Mr. Chairman, the question relates to the R and D gap analysis and its outcome in 2011. We conducted a gap analysis in which we consulted with all industry associations, universities, and provinces and territories in order to identify the technological gaps that we have in this area of science.

The five areas that were identified, as shown in the presentation, are: the mineralogical characterization of rare earth elements and the minerals; secondly, the physical separation, which is the milling stage that we call “beneficiation”, in which we need to concentrate the mineral that contains the rare earth elements; the third area is hydrometallurgy, the separation and leaching, which is the most difficult and most complex part during the hydrometallurgical processing of rare earth; then there is the production of reference material, which is important to ensure that the analyses being conducted in laboratories are reliable before producing analytical results; and the other area of research identified during the gap analysis was the study of the toxicity of rare earth elements,. As much as we would like to see complete recovery of rare earths, there is a possibility that we'll have some leaching of rare earths into the effluents, and we want to make sure that we're studying the toxicity of the rare earths into the effluent streams.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Thank you. I was reading a kind of summary article in Outdoor Canada this week. A proponent around the Kippewa open pit mine was being asked for their opinion, and the comment was that rare earth mining is a lot more harmful to the environment than other types of mining.

First, is that characterization accurate? Second, are we positioning ourselves now...or maybe just give us some background on how we are positioning ourselves to deal with the mine projects that are coming online to ensure that we're able to make up for any of the additional technical or environmental challenges that come with rare earth metal mining.

3:45 p.m.

Director General, CanmetMining, Department of Natural Resources

Magdi Habib

Mr. Chairman, on the question about the study that has been conducted, I'm not aware of that study.

But in the area of environmental science, the project will be looking after the environmental impact of rare earths in the environment. It's a study that began a few months ago. To date, we don't have enough data to make any further comments. We'll be happy to share at one point in time, once we have some, the data available on the environmental impact of rare earths.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

With China accounting for roughly 85% of the total production in rare earth metals, if they're on a slightly downward trend, and even if they are going to be the major supplier of the heavy rare earths, are the studies and research we're doing and the technological assessments, the gap analyses...? What is your sense concerning the Government of Canada and moving these projects forward? Are we doing this in a reasonable time period, or are we trying, as some people might characterize it, to rush projects through to meet market demand?

What's your sense about the Government of Canada's approach to responding to the gaps or to this opportunity for dealing with the market change?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, CanmetMining, Department of Natural Resources

Magdi Habib

As mentioned, Mr. Chairman, the gap analysis and the literature review that we've done indicates quite clearly that, yes, China is dominating 98% of the market. They have the process in place and they are producing rare earth elements. The type of mineral deposit they have is different from the Canadian deposit; it is a hardrock deposit in Canada.

The practices in China are not very environmentally friendly. Canada is looking at developing clean and green technologies that will address any potential environmental impacts as a result of the processing of rare earth elements. In that sense, it might take time to develop the technologies, but we'll have to make sure that the technologies that are developed are not causing any harmful effect to the environment and the ecosystem.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Ms. Villemure, you wanted to add to that. Go ahead, please.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources

Christiane Villemure

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

I would like to add to my colleague's comments to say that the S and T challenges we are facing globally are faced by others as well. China, as Dr. Habib is saying, has a very discrete methodology and set of processes to process rare earths, but everybody else in the world is basically in the same game, trying to figure out the science behind the separation of rare earth elements.

CanmetMining labs are working in collaboration with universities and with industry, and it's very important to have a collaborative effort to tap into the pockets of knowledge that may exist throughout the country.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Super. So there's a collaborative effort internationally to work and resolve this.

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources

Christiane Villemure

Absolutely, yes.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Ryan Leef Conservative Yukon, YT

Great.

There seems to be a concentration on the map right now of these projects favouring the eastern part of the country. Is it because of the geography of Canada that this is typically where they're going to be found, or is it an exploration issue? If it is an exploration issue, are there things the Government of Canada is doing to try to encourage rare earth exploration in other parts of the country outside the east, in that northern part of Saskatchewan and in the Northwest Territories?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources

Christiane Villemure

Mr. Chairman, I will answer this question. I think that exploration activity is quite high throughout Canada. Exploration is an activity of chance, to some extent. Probably the level of exploration activities in certain parts of the country led to the identification of some more deposits. It doesn't mean that these are the only regions where rare earths could be found, and exploration activities are ongoing.

As I mentioned in my presentation, there are about 200 projects identified in Canada. We need to continue to look at those projects and how they evolve. They're not all shown on the map; there are some projects elsewhere as well that could show promise in the future.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Thank you very much, Mr. Leef.

We go now to the official opposition, to Monsieur Gravelle, for up to seven minutes, please.

Go ahead.

November 25th, 2013 / 3:50 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Our colleague Christine Moore was very interested in this study, but unfortunately she was hospitalized over the weekend, so she won't be here for the study. I'm going to do my best to ask her questions, and hopefully you'll be able to answer some of those questions.

Here is my first one. I'm not sure how rare earth is measured, by tonnes or by pounds. How many tonnes or pounds are available in Canada for processing or for mining?

3:50 p.m.

Director General, Industry and Economic Analysis Branch, Department of Natural Resources

Christiane Villemure

Mr. Chairman, that's a good question. I don't have the number exactly in my head at the present time. If you consider that there are about 130,000 tonnes produced globally, the Canadian potential is estimated to be about half of that, or 40% or 50% of it, when you consider the reserves—what is in the ground. This is a number that I can advance relatively fairly.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Claude Gravelle NDP Nickel Belt, ON

Does the slide showing your map show all of the deposits in Canada?