Evidence of meeting #7 for Natural Resources in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was million.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Serge Dupont  Deputy Minister, Department of Natural Resources
Brian Gray  Assistant Deputy Minister, Earth Sciences Sector, Natural Resources Canada

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, if you interrupt again, I'm going to go on to the next questioner. Just allow the minister to answer.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

I'm going to keep repeating it until I get to say it without interruption.

I can see that you're sad that the public now knows that there's a geographical challenge here. Your leader thought it was closer to China from the east coast than from the west coast, so I brought that to your attention.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Minister, I just asked to have—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Regan, go ahead, please, with your question.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Oh, you've got to be kidding.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

You interrupted the minister three times after I'd—

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I'm asking him a specific question.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

After I'd asked you not to, Mr. Julian, you refused to let the—

We're not going to conduct a meeting like that, so I'll go to Mr. Regan—

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Benoit, absolutely not.

Point of order, Mr. Chair, you cannot—

I asked a simple question about advertising money that was spent by the public. It is a question of decency that the minister actually answers that question. We're talking about advertising budgets for 2013–14.

Quite frankly, Mr. Chair, you know as well as I do that's what we're here for, not for partisan attacks. I simply asked him about the advertising budget, and I would ask, through you, that he actually answer that question.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, if you hadn't interrupted three times, he probably would have answered it by now.

Mr. Regan, go ahead.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Mr. Chair, you cannot do this.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

On a point of order, Mr. Chairman—

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

I can do it, and I will, if you're going to interrupt, Mr. Julian.

Go ahead, Mr. Reagan.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Geoff Regan Liberal Halifax West, NS

On the point of order, I would encourage you to act here in a neutral fashion and hold both parties, really, to control themselves, because we've had very partisan attacks in both directions. It's obviously a partisan environment, but the question Mr. Julian is asking about the advertising is reasonable, and I bet the minister would be prepared to answer it.

Why don't we give him a chance to answer?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Regan, I appreciate your input on this.

Mr. Julian, as long as you do not interrupt again, I will change my decision and allow the minister to answer your question.

Do you remember the question, Minister? Yes.

Ms. Hughes, do you want to say something now on the point of order?

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Carol Hughes NDP Algoma—Manitoulin—Kapuskasing, ON

Yes, I was going to briefly say on the point of order that when it is our time, we are able to speak that time out according to what we are asking questions on.

It is up to us. If the witness is not answering the question, we can ask them to refer back to that question, and that's exactly what Mr. Julian had asked.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Actually, Ms. Hughes, you're wrong. Mr. Julian brought up the issue of the minister's comments. He was responding to that, and I'm sure he was getting on to replying, but Mr. Julian interrupted three times.

Go ahead, Minister, if you'd like to answer Mr. Julian's question.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Okay. I dealt with the first part of the question, and now I'll deal with the advertising, which I think was where you wanted to go.

The government has a responsibility to provide Canadians with facts to assist them in making informed decisions. This engagement and outreach campaign will raise awareness in key international markets that Canada is an environmentally responsible and reliable supplier of natural resources. The international stakeholder outreach and engagement campaign will raise awareness in American and other international markets that Canada has those qualities of security, reliability, and is environmentally responsible.

Responsible development of our natural resources will create high-quality jobs and growth, and we are promoting that. As I mentioned during my remarks, the resource area supports 1.8 million jobs, right across the country, and almost one-fifth of the economy.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Point of order, Mr. Chair.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Point of order, Mr. Julian.

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I'm sorry, I have asked this question three times. It's simply asking for an amount, and what we have is a minister who is filibustering.

Through you, could you ask him to answer the question?

He's here for the supplementary estimates (B). I've asked him for the advertising amount for 2013–14. He has those figures. Could he give them to us?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Leon Benoit

Mr. Julian, what I heard was background information explaining what the money was spent on. I'm sure he will get to the amount.

Minister, would you like to complete your answer?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

Sure.

Well, look, the supplementary estimates (B) lists $12.9 million—well, let's say almost $13 million for the campaign, which is approximately half of the $24 million outlined. There is also a domestic advertising program, which was announced, in total of $16.5 million, of which—

3:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Thank you, Minister. So it is a total of $40 million.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Joe Oliver Conservative Eglinton—Lawrence, ON

That's the total.