Evidence of meeting #72 for Official Languages in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was positions.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michael Duheme  Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Nadine Huggins  Chief Human Resources Officer, Royal Canadian Mounted Police
John Buck  President and Chief Executive Officer, Community Economic Development and Employability Corporation
Yan Plante  President and Chief Executive Officer, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité du Canada
Roukya Abdi Aden  Manager, National Consultation on Economic Development and Employability, Réseau de développement économique et d'employabilité du Canada

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

I now call the meeting to order.

Welcome to the 72nd meeting of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Official Languages.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(3) and the motion adopted by the committee on October 18, 2023, the committee is meeting to commence its study on bilingualism in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Senior Executive Committee.

Since all of the people present in the room or on the monitor are old hands, I will not give the instructions relating to Zoom and microphones. I will simply remind you to make sure your earpiece is not too close to the microphone when you are speaking, since that would result in feedback that can damage our interpreters' hearing.

Our witnesses from the Royal Canadian Mounted Police are the Commissioner, Michael Duheme, and the Chief Human Resources Officer, Nadine Huggins.

Mr. Duheme and Ms. Huggins, I would like to welcome you for this first hour. Even though you are old hands, I will remind you of the format. There will be two rounds of questions. The first will be six minutes for each party and the second round will consist of slightly shorter times.

Let's begin the questions.

11:05 a.m.

Bloc

Mario Beaulieu Bloc La Pointe-de-l'Île, QC

Is there a presentation?

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Yes, that's right; I'm sorry.

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An hon. member

The Chair was going a bit too fast.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Thank you for reminding me, because I was getting carried away.

Before the first period of questions, we allow the witnesses five minutes, and no more. I am very strict when it comes to speaking time, because I want to let everyone have the same opportunity to be able to ask as many questions as possible, in accordance with the time allocation we have agreed on.

Mr. Duheme, you have the floor for five minutes.

11:05 a.m.

Commr Michael Duheme Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Thank you and good morning, Mr. Chair, Vice-Chairs, and members of the committee. Thank you for the invitation to be with you today to continue the discussion.

I am joined by Nadine Huggins, Chief Human Resources Officer.

The RCMP is unique in the world in that it has international, federal, provincial and municipal responsibility. It has 30,000 employees: 19,000 regular members, who are police officers, and 11,000 Public Service employees or civilian members.

The RCMP has three distinct mandates. Its first mandate is to offer front-line policing services in eight provinces and three territories, including over 150 municipalities and 600 indigenous communities. Its second mandate is to act as the federal police force, responsible for organized crime, cross-border services, national security, cybercrime, financial crime, VIP protection, international deployments, and criminal intelligence. Its third mandate is to offer specialized police services such as Air Services, laboratories, covert techniques, and several other services in sectors that support police organizations in Canada.

Being bilingual, I do not need to tell you that I believe both official languages to be a key element of our culture of inclusion. I welcome this opportunity to speak with you about the RCMP's current strategy to comply with the Official Languages Act.

Across the organization, 87.5% of employees in bilingual positions meet the requirements of their position. For Public Service employees that number is 91%, while it is 95% for civilian members and 82% for the regular members, the police officers.

As reported, we do face certain challenges among senior management with respect to bilingualism. I'm pleased that public service employees at the EX-01 to EX-05 levels meet their language requirements in about 98% of bilingual positions, while that percentage is unfortunately only 59% for officer-level regular members in bilingual positions.

With the organization focused on its operational mandate of ensuring public safety, we have struggled at times in ensuring our full compliance with the act, but I'm committed to improving second-language competencies across senior leadership and the entire organization.

To support this, I approved an official languages strategy, with implementation to start this fall. It is centred on four priority areas: strengthening leadership in official languages, promoting legislative compliance with the Official Languages Act, creating a culture of inclusion, and ensuring accountability, transparency, and measuring progress.

As part of the Strategy, we will determine compliance gaps and barriers. Executives and officer-level regular members who do not meet the bilingual requirements will undergo assessments and initiate training to ensure they will become compliant. This is happening at the highest levels, including at the deputy commissioner level.

The RCMP is focusing on preparing the leaders of tomorrow by ensuring that officers and executives are better equipped to perform leadership roles. As well, we are actively engaged in developing future leaders. We are ensuring that officers and executives meet the language requirements of their position and are supported throughout their career, in order to promote a genuinely bilingual and inclusive working environment where the use of both official languages is welcome.

French and English are the anchors of our diversity and inclusion. We are increasingly being asked to provide policing services in other languages as well, such as Mandarin, Hindi and Punjabi, in order to effectively meet the evolving needs of communities across the country.

All of our efforts are meant to strengthen the RCMP's ability to ensure public safety, while simultaneously improving compliance with the act.

Thank you, and we will be pleased to answer your questions.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal René Arseneault

Thank you, Commissioner Duheme.

You gave your presentation in four minutes, which leaves even more time for members to ask their questions. Next, each of the parties will have six minutes of speaking time.

We will begin with the first vice-chair of the committee.

Joël Godin, you have the floor.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Mr. Chair, if you say there is more time, you could give me seven minutes.

Commissioner, thank you for being here this morning. I am going to ask you my questions in rapid succession because we do not have a lot of time.

Are you familiar with the RCMP's official languages obligations?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

Yes, I am broadly familiar with them. The details are another matter, because there are so many laws.

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Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Starting in 1988, the Commissioner has had to ensure that the official languages are respected. In 2023, with Bill C‑13, the Commissioner is no longer asked simply to ensure that the official languages are respected; he now has a duty to enforce the provisions of the Act.

What has changed for you between the version of the Official Languages Act that existed before Bill C‑13 and the version that has been in force since June 2023?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

With respect to monitoring the organization, I can't answer for what happened from 1988 to today. I can tell you that the changes imposed by Treasury Board concerning positions have been brought to our attention. In two years, there is going to be an increase in the number of bilingual positions everywhere in Canada.

We have started to examine and modify our current strategy. So I am not familiar with what was done before, but since I have held the position of Commissioner, we have established a strategy for bilingualism in the organization.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

How long have you held this position?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

I have held this position since March 18 of this year.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

When the bill came into force in June, you were informed.

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

Yes, we were informed. I don't believe the organization was in a good position, in terms of the processes in place, to monitor all the bilingual positions.

The strategy we are adopting is intended precisely to create a balance so that we are able to identify the positions in question and monitor them.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

So between June and today, nothing has changed in your operations.

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

It is just the planning that has changed, yes.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Have you seen the article by Daniel Leblanc that was published on October 3?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

I have seen it, since Mr. Leblanc called me.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

Is everything in that article true?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

It seems it is, since Mr. Leblanc is an accredited journalist. However, I think I could add some clarifications regarding bilingualism in the senior executive committee of the organization, if you like, when it's a good time.

11:10 a.m.

Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

What you are saying is that everything in that article is true.

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Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

I would have to refresh my memory. At the time I read it, however, it seemed to me to be true.

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Conservative

Joël Godin Conservative Portneuf—Jacques-Cartier, QC

If there had been anything false, I am sure that, being as meticulous as you are, you would have responded. Can we put it that way?

11:10 a.m.

Commissioner, Royal Canadian Mounted Police

Commr Michael Duheme

We would have had a discussion.