Evidence of meeting #1 for Public Safety and National Security in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was clerk.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Roger Préfontaine

4 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

I understand that the original version said “each party's whip staff”, and it was changed to “party staff” at some point earlier this morning at the defence committee--

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay, I wasn't aware of that.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

I think people are comfortable with “whip's staff”, but not with “party staff”.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

It got added into it. This is the way the original document is, but it got added in at the other committee.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

Because they agreed with “whip” as opposed to “party”.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Yes.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Bonnie Brown Liberal Oakville, ON

“Party” is too loose.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Sure.

4 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Go ahead.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

The next one was that the in camera meetings be transcribed and they be kept with the clerk for later consultation by members of Parliament, and that the transcripts be destroyed at the end of the session.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

That's normal.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

I think half of this is maybe practice that's already being done, but trying to put it into a--

4 p.m.

Liberal

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

What happens? We had the subcommittee on anti-terrorism. We had all the witnesses in the previous Parliament, and then we came back and brought back all that testimony and we basically just kept trucking, and then we drafted the report. If you destroy all that information, how do you deal with that? That saved us a heck of a lot of time.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

I think there's a difference here, Roy. This is the in camera meetings.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

In camera, yes, I know.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Those weren't in camera. Those were witness meetings that you brought back. That was just regular testimony.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

But wouldn't we have also had the benefit of the in camera discussions?

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

I don't think we did.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Ujjal Dosanjh Liberal Vancouver South, BC

My sense is that the in camera discussions range far and wide, and people say things in those that you don't want printed ultimately anywhere.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

But they might be valuable to the committee, right, as long as they're destroyed at the end of the session?

4 p.m.

Liberal

Ujjal Dosanjh Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Absolutely. Or--

4 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Yes.

4 p.m.

Liberal

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Or you could have in camera meetings with witnesses. We've had witnesses, because they've felt personally threatened--

4 p.m.

Liberal

Sue Barnes Liberal London West, ON

Yes, but that's different.