So it's their “normal”. In fact, they have become normalized.
I think Ms. Glover was very helpful, in that we have a disproportionate aboriginal population in our prison system. There is no morality, I don't believe, attached to that. I think it is socio-cultural and I think it has to do with many oppressions and many socio-cultural problems. It seems to me that's a barrier as well. You're the witness, I'm not, but it seems to me that Ms. Glover has pointed out some pretty important stuff.
Whether it's Poundmaker's Lodge Treatment Centre in Alberta, or other things, it seems to me that we're going to need more help from you experts on how to do this, whether you're willing to do that work in your organizations.