Evidence of meeting #39 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was corrections.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Commissioner Marc-Arthur Hyppolite  Senior Deputy Commissioner, Correctional Service Canada
Commissioner Elizabeth Van Allen  Deputy Commissioner for Women, Women Offender Sector, Correctional Service Canada
Lisa Allgaier  Director General, Aboriginal Initiatives Directorate, Correctional Service Canada
Peter Ford  Physician, As an Individual
Kim Pate  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Elizabeth Fry Societies
Mary Campbell  Director General, Corrections and Criminal Justice Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness
Douglas Hoover  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Lyne Casavant  Committee Researcher

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I'd like to bring this meeting to order.

This is the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, meeting number 39, and we are continuing with our study of federal corrections, focusing on mental health and addiction.

Before we go to our first item here, I am going to read something I want the committee members to listen to very carefully, because you're going to have to approve this: “That the committee defray the hospitality expenses related to working meals to be held during its travel to Oslo and London during the week of November 22 and that the clerk in consultation with the chair be authorized to purchase mementoes.”

Do you all understand the gist of that?

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

These are mementoes to give to....

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

To whose who are--

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Officials.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Yes.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Not mementoes for the clerk.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

No.

Okay, is that approved?

11:15 a.m.

Roger Préfontaine The Clerk of the Committee

Sir, I just noticed that I should have added in there, in case we need it, a working lunch in Montreal.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Oh, we forgot Montreal. We may have a working lunch in Montreal, so we're going to add that as well, on the evening of Thursday while we're in Montreal. That's dinner.

I'll read this again quickly: “That the committee defray the hospitality expenses related to working meals to be held during its travel to Oslo and London and in Montreal during the week of November 22”--of course, the previous week for Montreal--“and that the clerk in consultation with the chair be authorized to purchase mementoes.” That's small gifts as a courtesy for those we meet, our counterparts in Norway and England.

Yes, Mr. MacKenzie?

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Could you clarify? I have some questions. They are for the hosts.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Yes, for our colleagues in Norway. This is not for the committee.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Right. So the committee will receive their per diems and pay for their own....

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Oh, yes.

Are you all in favour of that? Any objections?

(Motion agreed to)

Thank you. We will now go to the business that's listed on our order paper.

We would like to welcome from the Correctional Service of Canada the director general, the senior deputy commissioner, and the deputy commissioner for women. We'll ask you to introduce yourselves, maybe give a little background....

Is there a point of order?

11:15 a.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Mr. Chairman, since you've raised the question of travel, I wanted to tell you once again that I'm very concerned about the trips that will be organized and about the fact that we should be vaccinated. In fact, I am very concerned that we're taking the plane, that we're going to a number of provinces and two different countries. We'll be in contact with a lot of people. I think it's essential that we find a solution to the vaccination problem.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I'm not sure how we can handle this. I wonder if we should approach our House leaders and our whips to see if something should be done about that.

Mr. Norlock.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Norlock Conservative Northumberland—Quinte West, ON

Chair, I want no special treatment because I'm a member of Parliament. I wish to be treated the same as every other citizen in this country.

11:15 a.m.

Some hon. members

Hear, hear.

11:15 a.m.

An hon. member

I agree

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

All right. I really don't want to take more time to discuss this, because we should be listening to our witnesses, but I think you've made your point. If we need to discuss this more, let's raise it at the end of the meeting. Okay?

Okay. Who would like to go first and maybe just give us a little bit of your background? Are you each going to give a presentation?

11:15 a.m.

Deputy Commissioner Marc-Arthur Hyppolite Senior Deputy Commissioner, Correctional Service Canada

Only two people.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Two people. Go ahead.

11:15 a.m.

D/Commr Marc-Arthur Hyppolite

Good morning, everyone.

My name is Marc-Arthur Hyppolite. I am the Senior Deputy Commissioner for Correctional Service of Canada. I studied criminology, sociology, and psychology at the University of Ottawa. I also went to the Collège de Maisonneuve in Montreal. I am here to represent the Correctional Service of Canada. I have 25 years of experience in corrections and a few short periods of time in other government departments.

I'm pleased to be here and I would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today.

As you know, Mr. Chair, Canada's aboriginal people are grounded in a very rich and diverse culture. Unfortunately, this history has led to a disproportionate number of aboriginal people in Canadian penitentiaries. CSC's actions, as described in the strategic plan for aboriginal corrections and supported by the recent accountability framework, reflect an understanding of that history, the current social reality, and the importance of cultural traditions when formulating meaningful correctional policy for the aboriginal people in our care.

As the Commissioner informed you in June, we have seen a significant change in the offender population profile over the past decade. Increases in the number of offenders with mental health problems and substance abuse problems are important factors in this offender profile.

Where this differs between the aboriginal and non-aboriginal population is that aboriginal offenders tend to be younger, be at higher risk, and have more health problems—specifically fetal alcohol spectrum disorder and mental health issues.

Additionally, we have found that aboriginal offenders have a significantly higher rate of drug and alcohol problems than non-aboriginal offenders.

Our approach to aboriginal corrections is based on the continuum of care that encompasses each stage of an offender's sentence, from admission to release into the community. The continuum of care, which was created in consultation with aboriginal stakeholders and partners, developed new opportunities to address aboriginal offenders' needs, as reflected in the 2006 to 2011 strategy plan for aboriginal corrections. This was developed to enhance CSC's capacity to deliver effective intervention to first nations, Métis, and Inuit offenders and to integrate this continuum into Correctional Service of Canada.

CSC recognized that aboriginal culture is holistic in nature and elders are integrating and assisting in the intervention plans for aboriginal offenders to ensure they are reflected in their healing plan. Through our experience working with aboriginal offenders, it is clear that programs that include culturally appropriate elements of correctional interventions are more effective with an aboriginal population that has higher risks and needs than other segments of our population.

As you know, effective correctional programming is an essential element in reducing reoffending and preparing the offender for their safe return to the community. As such, they include the integration of effective correctional program principles with traditional aboriginal healing and spiritual approaches.

Research has shown that programs that include culturally appropriate elements in correctional interventions are more effective with aboriginal populations that have higher risks and needs than other segments of our population.

With this in mind, we provide programs specifically designed to meet the unique needs of aboriginal offenders, we work in partnership with aboriginal communities, and we rely on the guidance provided to us by the aboriginal advisory committees that we regularly engage to help implement our plans for action.

One example is the aboriginal offender substance abuse program, which is offered at both the high and moderate intensity levels. The program is for male aboriginal offenders and is designed to reduce the risk of relapsing into substance abuse and reoffending. The program is based on a holistic approach to ensure the impact of addictions is examined across physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual dimensions in a safe and supportive environment. It is also culturally responsive to the needs of first nation, Inuit, and Métis offenders.

Looking forward, CSC has invested nearly $33 million in aboriginal corrections over 2009-2010 to support the following: the expansion of aboriginal intervention and healing programs in our institutions and of healing lodges in communities; the contracting of more elders in our institutions and in the community; an increase in apartment units and houses to offer more intensive healing support; and the creation of more aboriginal employment and job placement opportunities.

I am confident that our dedicated research and our effective program development have put us on the track to respond to the offender profile and to address the unique needs of aboriginal offenders. Within this body of work, measures to address mental health and substance abuse are important priorities.

Thank you for this opportunity to speak and I welcome any questions you may have.

Then, if you want the Deputy Commissioner for Women to make a presentation, that will be possible.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Go ahead, Ma'am.

11:25 a.m.

Deputy Commissioner Elizabeth Van Allen Deputy Commissioner for Women, Women Offender Sector, Correctional Service Canada

Thank you, and good morning, Mr. Chair and committee members.

Just as a little bit about my background, I have been with the Correctional Service of Canada for 25 years. I started out as a correctional officer at Kingston Penitentiary, so I've worked my way up through various positions within the institution on the security side of the house. On the case management side of the house, I've been at national headquarters for the last eleven years, and I've recently come into this position in the last year. That's a little bit about my background.

I'm very pleased to be here today, and I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to speak to you about issues surrounding women offenders. This is an area that is of key importance to the Correctional Service of Canada and one that is of great personal importance to me as deputy commissioner for women.

By way of background, I'd like to start with a few general comments about the women offender population in Canada. At any given time there are just under 1,200 women under federal sentence in Canada, with about 44% serving their time in one of our facilities and the remainder serving sentences in the community. In terms of the general demographic makeup of female offenders, they tend to experience poverty, are young, uneducated, and lacking in employment skills. Compared to the average Canadian, women offenders have a higher incidence of substance abuse and mental health problems and are more likely to have a history of physical and/or sexual abuse. In short, women offenders have unique factors influencing their criminal behaviour, and so they require an approach that is unique to their specific needs. This approach is commonly termed “women centred” in that it reflects the social realities of women and responds to the individual needs of women in our care.

As the senior deputy commissioner just reinforced, CSC has seen a significant change in the overall offender profile over the last decade. This applies equally to the women offender population. What we have seen in the last decade or so is an increase in women entering our care who exhibit mental health needs or who present complex behavioural concerns. We are also seeing women serving much shorter sentences. Taking into account these and many other factors, we are certainly facing greater challenges for our organization in terms of how we effectively manage women offenders and help them forge a path away from crime and towards more positive life choices.

One of the ways we are building on our capacity to address the needs of women offenders with mental health concerns is by identifying their requirements from the first day of admission. To this end, CSC is improving its screening and assessment process at admission with the implementation of the computerized mental health intake screening system. If we can better identify mental health issues from the beginning, we are in a better position to proactively address them.

For women who are identified as having higher needs or severe mental health concerns, we currently have three options. The first is two intensive psychiatric treatment units, one at Philippe-Pinel and the other at the regional psychiatric centre in the prairies, for those women who require treatment in a psychiatric facility.

The second option is that CSC has implemented the structured living environment, which provides a separate living space and programming area within the institution for women classified as minimum or medium security. It is a therapeutic environment that is staffed 24 hours a day with an interdisciplinary team that can provide specialized correctional, rehabilitative, and mental health treatment.

Finally, for women requiring similar intensive intervention but who are classified as maximum security, CSC constructed security units at each of the five regional women's institutions. These units feature heightened security measures coupled with an interdisciplinary approach similar to the structured living environments that provides intensive staff intervention, programming, and treatment to these higher-risk women.

In addition, important interventions for women with mental health needs are dialectical behaviour therapy, or DBT, and psycho-social rehabilitation. DBT is a comprehensive mental health treatment for women with serious emotional issues and behavioural problems. DBT addresses these issues by targeting skill development in the areas of emotions, relationships, cognitions, and stress. Psycho-social rehabilitation addresses the needs of women who are cognitively low functioning. It helps them regain control over their lives by assisting them with living skills and formulating goals and plans to prepare them for independent living.

In addition, as a majority of women offenders are survivors of abuse and trauma, intervention to address these issues is also offered. Group and individual counselling is available to all women offenders to help address the significant impact these and other experiences have had on their lives.

As I mentioned previously, in addition to mental health concerns, statistics show that up to 80% of incarcerated women have a substance abuse problem. It is vital that we work with women to identify these issues and proactively address their addictive behaviours. CSC has developed a suite of programs specific to women offenders. I'd like to highlight two programs that are dedicated to helping women offenders address addictive and violent behaviours.

The women offender substance abuse program is designed to address the substance abuse needs of all women offenders. The program offers women offenders several levels of intervention from the time they enter the institution until the time of their warrant expiry. This includes maintenance programs in the community.

The second example is the Spirit of a Warrior program, which was developed by the Native Counselling Services of Alberta to address the needs of aboriginal women offenders, specifically targeting violence, substance abuse, and gang association, with the overall objective to reduce reoffending.

In closing, I believe the programs we offer women and the interventions we make to in order to empower them to make better choices are appropriate and effective. While CSC has come a long way in addressing the needs of women offenders, we still have work to do. The nature of our business is such that we must continually evolve and adapt to meet new challenges. I believe we're on the right path, and I look forward to discussing some of this with you today.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

11:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Thank you very much.

Ms. Allgaier, I'll give you an opportunity to give us a bit of your background before we go to questions and comments, because you were not formally introduced.