Evidence of meeting #41 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was method.

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11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

I'd like to bring this meeting to order.

This is the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security, meeting number 41. We are dealing with Bill C-34, an act to amend the Criminal Code and other acts.

We again welcome as witnesses Ms. Mary Campbell, director general of corrections at the criminal justice directorate; and from the Department of Justice, Mr. Douglas Hoover, counsel for the criminal law policy section.

We are continuing clause-by-clause consideration of this bill. Hopefully you remember, from about three or four weeks ago, that we are resuming debate on the subamendment by Mr. MacKenzie.

Mr. MacKenzie, do you want to briefly remind us what that subamendment was?

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Oxford, ON

I wish I could.

I believe we were discussing “modus operandi”. There was some debate about whether we could use Latin terms or whether we needed to use the two official languages. At that point I think we were suggesting we could change “modus operandi”, in English, to the person's “method of operation”, which would properly describe what I think Mr. Ménard had.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

Okay. The question is on the subamendment by Mr. MacKenzie. Are you all clear as to what his subamendment is? He's replacing the words “modus operandi” with “method of operation”.

Monsieur Ménard.

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. MacKenzie sent his proposal to me in writing, and I agree with what he has. It's their method of operating, is that right?

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Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

Yes.

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That's in relation to the offence or offences. I agree with this. In French, it's

“their method of operating in relation to the offence or offences”.

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The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Roger Préfontaine

Mr. Ménard, your subamendment says, “the person's method of operation”.

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Bloc

Serge Ménard Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I know, but my amendment used the expression “modus operandi”. Mr. MacKenzie moved a subamendment that seeks to avoid using the Latin words “modus operandi” and to use the English words instead,

their “method of operation”, in relation to the offence.

In French, it says “the person's method of operation”.

I agree with the subamendment by Mr. MacKenzie.

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Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

Very good. I think that's clear.

Mr. Kania.

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Liberal

Andrew Kania Brampton West, ON

I'm not going to belabour it; I'm simply going to indicate that we agree.

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Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

Okay.

Mr. MacKenzie.

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Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Oxford, ON

Mr. Chair, I wonder whether we could get a comment from the officials. It's been a little while since we were here. Could either Mr. Hoover or Ms. Campbell give us a comment on it?

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Garry Breitkreuz

Are you prepared to do that right now, Ms. Campbell?

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Mary Campbell Director General, Corrections and Criminal Justice Directorate, Department of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness

Yes. From a drafting perspective, I think there was additional wording, which Mr. Yumansky has, that refers to “if the information is available”. That would address those situations where it wouldn't be an absolute requirement to enter the information if it's not available.

Although it might seem implicit that one would not enter information that is not available, the drafters seem to feel that out of an abundance of caution the words should be there.

11:40 a.m.

Bloc

Serge Ménard Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Mr. Chair....