Evidence of meeting #11 for Public Safety and National Security in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was side.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Roger Préfontaine

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

We are going to reconvene.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Mr. Chair, where was the vote? With respect, there was not a single--

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Yes, there was, and that's all I need.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

You do not run this committee!

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Calm yourself down.

Mr. Comartin, I'm simply asking, did you vote--

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Shelly Glover Conservative Saint Boniface, MB

If it wasn't for your shenanigans, we'd be absolutely fine.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

I'm asking if Mr. Comartin voted.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Mr. Holland, before I recessed you had no objection to going public. Now you're saying you don't want to have this meeting in public?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Mr. Chair, you have to have a vote, so have a vote.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

We did have a vote.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

I am asking if anybody on this side voted. In order to vote, you have to have a good opportunity for people to vote.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Let me be clear, Mr. Holland. Are you saying you do not want this meeting to be in public?

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

I am saying have a vote.

3:45 p.m.

An hon. member

We had a vote.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

No, we never had a vote. I haven't talked to anybody on this side who thinks there was a vote. There were no hands; we didn't vote.

3:45 p.m.

An hon. member

Because you were talking to somebody.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

You weren't even paying attention.

I looked around. There was no objection.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Conservative Portage—Lisgar, MB

It passed.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

Mark Holland Liberal Ajax—Pickering, ON

Because you didn't call the vote.

Go to the minutes. Ask the clerk. Did you call a vote? Did he call the question? There was no calling of the question.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

I did.

Ms. Mourani, please.

Oh, before we go to that, I want to get the approval of the committee to distribute the motion that Mr. Holland made here with all the names for all four days.

Is it okay if I do that? It is not translated, but it is names and it might not be a big issue to not have names translated.

Any objections? Hearing none, we'll distribute this.

Okay. Ms. Mourani, please go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Would it be possible to have Mr. Holland's motion? I think it's going to be distributed. I'd like to comment on it.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

On Mr. Holland's motion, go ahead.

3:45 p.m.

Bloc

Maria Mourani Bloc Ahuntsic, QC

I simply wanted to say that, in the table where it mentions a third day, it says "Association de Santé Publique du Québec". The exact words should actually be "Institut national de santé publique du Québec". That's the institute that wants to appear before our committee.

Personally, I find Mr. Holland's proposal very interesting, especially since everyone is represented here. I see that there are as many witnesses from the Conservative Party as from the NDP and the Bloc. I think that it's quite fair. So I'd be pleased to approve this motion.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Garry Breitkreuz

Okay. Next on my list is Mr. MacKenzie.

3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Mr. Chair, now that we are in open session, it is certainly an opportunity to let Canadians know what just happened here.

This was a committee that was supposed to meet today to decide on witnesses for Bill C-391, a private member's bill before the House. Before the meeting got very far along, Mr. Holland, for the Liberal Party, made a motion--