Thank you, Mr. Chair.
And thank you to Mr. Looman for coming.
I'll be going back to the discussion we were having about the environment and the creation of that environment, bigger group rooms, bigger interview rooms, and the related impact that limited space has on the time people get with offenders, as you said, and directly related to staff not being present because of the security needs and not being able to leave them alone, move on, which shortens that length of time.
You did mention that new buildings would be the reasonable solution. I think that is what you said. When you're talking about that, we recognize there is some need for an institutional setting and wanting to protect society. We talk about keeping drugs and alcohol out of the prisons, to tie this directly to what we're studying. But would you say that investment in newer, bigger, cleaner correctional centres or prisons—just by virtue of these new open-space concepts and the technology we have—also would help limit or help enhance the limiting of drugs and alcohol access in the prisons, which would then further your efforts?