Evidence of meeting #33 for Public Safety and National Security in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was complaints.

A recording is available from Parliament.

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  • Jay Pyke  Warden, Kingston Penitentiary, Correctional Service of Canada

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Kevin Sorenson

It's not off your time, Ms. Hoeppner.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

Yes, Mr. Chair, that's your ruling.

I think the question was a good-faith question. It was to say, well, what are the safeguards in the case of somebody being labelled a vexatious complainant, and then 99.9% of the time—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Kevin Sorenson

Okay. I think I'm getting the point.

I think the question has come up, but maybe not so much as a direct quote, that “this is what would happen”. The question has come up, so just as long as you know and Ms. Hoeppner knows that it wasn't as a matter of fact that this is exactly what will happen.... But it was questioned as to whether or not it could happen.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

Mr. Chair, thank you very much, but I do.... I've been at every one of these meetings.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Kevin Sorenson

Well, if you have the quote, then quote, but—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

I do. It was Mr. Scarpaleggia—

3:55 p.m.

An hon. member

[Inaudible—Editor]

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

Yes. He said—

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

It was a hypothetical—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

This is my chance to ask the question.

3:55 p.m.

Liberal

Francis Scarpaleggia Lac-Saint-Louis, QC

And I think she should be allowed. I'm—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Kevin Sorenson

So on a hypothetical, then?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

Yes, and Francis can—

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Kevin Sorenson

Thank you. Point taken.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Candice Bergen Portage—Lisgar, MB

Thank you very much.

I can read it. He said:

What happens if you have somebody who hasn't been acting in good faith, as you say, and they're labelled a vexatious complainant, and then a couple of days later a guard does something? Knowing that the person has been labelled and their hands are now tied, a guard decides to take advantage of the situation and really give it to the offender.

And I—