Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I'd like to thank both witnesses for appearing.
Mr. Stamatakis, you've appeared before some of my other committees as well, so it's good to see you again at this committee.
I have a couple of questions and I'm going to direct them first towards Mr. Stamatakis.
Hopefully I'll have some time to ask you some similar questions as well, Chief Lloyd Phillips.
In your brief opening remarks, you talked about the two factors that are driving up the costs of policing. You talked about duplication and redundancy. In the first part, you talked about oversight and accountability on multiple levels, from the very lowest to the highest, causing the increased cost of policing.
When do you know that we have gone too far with our oversight of the process? What is it that you can say to us specifically about where we have gone wrong? What do we need to do to bring that back to a level where there is sufficient oversight and accountability, but not to the point where it's gone too far?