Certainly the experience in Edmonton, Alberta, in the healing lodges run by the Native Counselling Services of Alberta, both Buffalo Sage for women and Stan Daniels for men are models.
I won't put words in the mouths of the operators of those programs, but I think they would tell you that there are ongoing challenges. In fact, when we did our investigation, not just Native Counselling Services but other aboriginal groups across the country expressed a couple of significant concerns that in spite of good work and in spite of good intentions, and often in spite of very good relations between those program sites and the local and regional representatives at Correctional Service of Canada, there were structural issues. They commented that they felt that they were subsidizing the federal crown by taking on these contracts and that they weren't compensated properly for the training, for the operational costs, etc. Elders felt disrespected in the contract process and in some of the operational decisions that were being made.
So there are some good examples. There are some good success stories, but, sadly, they're idiosyncratic. We haven't been able to bake those things into the system.