Evidence of meeting #54 for Transport, Infrastructure and Communities in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was vote.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Franz Reinhardt  Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport
Susan Stanfield  Legal Counsel, Department of Transport
André Morency  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Services, ADM's Office, Department of Transport

4:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Shall the amendment as proposed carry?

Mr. Laframboise.

4:50 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Mr. Chairman, I'm ready to vote on my amendment if my Liberal colleagues agree to remove the last four lines of provision 4.9(c)(c.i)(i)(A) which reads as follows: "...that authorizes the holder of the certificate to operate an air traffic control unit or a flight service station, ...".

I agree with Mr. Reinhardt that adding these words would mean that only NAV CANADA would be covered, when it could actually be the entire system. If the government agrees with that, this would be a reasonable amendment that would include part of Mr. Julian's amendment and would answer some of Mr. Reinhardt's questions.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Laframboise, could I ask you again how you would like proposed item 4.9(c.1)(i)(A) to read? I understand that you're talking about deleting.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

In provision 4.9(c)(c.i)(i)(A), after the word "Act", I would remove the last four lines, the words "that authorizes the holder of the certificate to operate an air traffic control unit or a flight service station,". We would have to leave in the word "and" in English.

Since I cannot move an amendment to my motion, Mr. Chairman, someone else will have to do that.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

I just want to make sure I have it correctly. You're suggesting that proposed item 4.9(c.1)(i)(A) would read:

responsible for operations and activities authorized under a certificate—issued pursuant to a regulation made under this Act—and

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

That's it.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Are there any comments?

Mr. Reinhardt, do you have any comment?

4:55 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

I have no additional comments to those I made earlier. I know that Mr. Laframboise fixed one of the problems by amending it, that's for sure. This has taken care of all the operations.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Volpe has agreed to offer a subamendment, which we are talking about. Am I correct?

Mr. Julian.

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

I support it.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

You're ahead of me.

(Subamendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Amendment as amended agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

That takes care of BQ-9 and LIB-4 and NDP-3.3.

So we're going to G-1.1, page 24.1.

Mr. Jean.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Mr. Chair, this motion is to address some of the concerns raised by unions, such as the Teamsters, with regard to mitigating negative effects of fatigue. Actually, I think it's a great amendment, and I'm looking forward to the support of the other parties.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Comments?

It's on page 24.1 in your supplemental.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

We did hear from many witnesses in relation to fatigue, and indeed some of the issues regarding the hours of service.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

We're now moving to NDP-4, page 25.

Mr. Julian.

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

Actually, Mr. Chair, it's NDP-4.1.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

So you're not moving NDP-4?

4:55 p.m.

NDP

Peter Julian NDP Burnaby—New Westminster, BC

It has been modified.

4:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Okay. Then we will take NDP-4 out and we'll move to BQ-10.

4:55 p.m.

Bloc

Mario Laframboise Bloc Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC

Mr. Chairman, I move that Bill C-6, in Clause 8, be amended by replacing line 14 on page 8 with the following:

aviation safety or security, including limiting the hours of work of those crew members, air traffic controllers or persons engaged in maintenance or installation;

5 p.m.

Conservative

Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB

Mr. Chair, I have a point of order.

I'm wondering, are these three amendments not covered by the amendment G-1.1? It's the same in essence, the hours of service fatigue.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

It is something that the committee would have to decide.

Mr. Reinhardt.

5 p.m.

Director, Regulatory Services, Civil Aviation, Department of Transport

Franz Reinhardt

I just want to mention with respect to this that the one proposed by government is much broader than the three others because it says “to cover all persons working in activities that may have an impact on safety, including possibly limiting the number of hours.” So it's not only for air traffic controllers, it's not only for flight crew members, it's for everybody. So I think it's the best of worlds for everybody because it's broader.

5 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Merv Tweed

Mr. Laframboise.