With the Manitoba situation specifically, I'll go back to saying that Kiewit is not a CLAC contractor in Manitoba. It is not fair to say that by and large they are a CLAC contractor. They are in specific areas. They have building trades affiliations in other areas. So there's probably pretty equal weighting at the end of the day.
To suggest that collective agreements ought to be made null and void, it's interesting that in the Manitoba situation, this is not something that is provincially imposed. It comes through no natural order of law, if you will. It's not binding, as in the situation in Ontario with a certificate from the Ontario Labour Relations Board.
What you have before you is an example of essentially a voluntary recognition agreement that exists between, in this case, Manitoba Hydro and these building trades unions. What we're simply saying is that you ought to look at a different model, the model that I talked about a bit earlier with the managed open site, where you can have project labour terms and conditions but there is opportunity for everybody to come to the table, the building trades, the alternative union movement of which CLAC is a part, along with many others and the non-union folks Mr. Miller represents.