I've been reading a lot about all that they are trying to do to make it safer. You have the double hull and all those things, so there's a big effort to improve that. That is good. That will reduce the chances of spills, I think. That is also good.
In our report, the one we did last year about the northern gateway, we considered safety very closely. What we concluded was that usually the problem really arises when something happens. There's a small chance of it happening. So, if it doesn't happen, it's all well and good, but when you have the big one hitting you, this is where the pain is really high. All this work will help reduce a lot, but it will not eliminate it. That is what worries me: when the big one comes. You can see that in the Gulf of Mexico, right? We had lots of promises from BP about how good they are at this. It happened, and for weeks they didn't even know what to do, just sitting and shaking. That's the kind of thing that bothers most of us.