It's in something that we received from the UCTE. It may not be the specific presentation you've put before the committee today, but we did receive a package on the Union of Canadian Transportation Employees' “Canada's Broken Transportation Safety Oversight System. A Concerned Inspectorate Speaks: Recommendations for Reforms...”. It's in one of the appendixes that is noted in there.
With respect to safety management systems, you're suggesting that having safety management systems, or the way it's being implemented, is a less safe or a less rigorous safety oversight system. The Auditor General's report in 2012, on page 2, under “What we found”, says:
Since 2008, Transport Canada has made progress in evolving from the traditional surveillance approach—largely based on responding to regulatory requirements—to a systems-based approach designed for large and small aviation companies.
He goes on to say, “This approach allows for more consistent and rigorous surveillance of aviation companies’ compliance with safety regulations.”
Do we believe the Auditor General, or your testimony today?
Mr. Chalmers is waving his hand, Mr. Chair. Perhaps he'd like to weigh in on that.