Neither question is very easy to address.
First of all, on the question of the fare box revenues, we have very sophisticated ticket management systems in place for all high-speed operators in Europe. You can say that the mark-up for high-speed rail is between 50% and 100% on slow trains. It really depends, because it's a very sophisticated unit revenue system. It's not very easy, but it's there.
That really depends, again, on the travel time advantages. If you have travel time between two major centres that is below four hours, then you are highly competitive. It would make no sense to go to the airport and take a plane. Then you have a lot of willingness to pay on the part of the customers.
On the second question, around the subsidies, all the high-speed train services around Europe are commercial. The reason for that is we have a different organization in the rail industry. We have independent infrastructure managers, and then we have open access operators on the infrastructure, which operate commercially.
That means all of the subsidies are in the infrastructure. It's not that easy to calculate the subsidies, but you can say they are.... I have to recalculate, but it should be definitely below $10 Canadian per passenger. Let's say so; that's very roughly.