Indeed, Mr. Lawrence is correct.
Some of those workers we're subsidizing are coming in with their expertise as temporary foreign workers. I hope the idea is that they'll pass their expertise on to Canadian workers and members of our unions.
What's interesting is that the government has decided to play the game where they're going to subsidize everything to come. We've been told for at least a generation that, compared to the U.S., Canada stands out for a few reasons. One is a favourable exchange rate. Two is that health care costs are largely borne by government. Three is a well-trained workforce. Apparently, none of those things matter. What we have to do is now meet the U.S. dollar for dollar on the subsidies that they're going to provide. If we want to go down the same fiscal path as the U.S., then I suppose that's the way the government would like to go.
I think it's very concerning. We don't have the same amount of money that the U.S. does. We don't have the world's reserve currency. We are going to see the challenges that this government's spending and subsidization are going to have on the economy when our dollar goes down and when our balance of payments gets significantly out of whack because we're not allowing investments in productive areas of the economy. The government has a clear path, which is that we will subsidize to make it happen.
The other interesting point is that the government says to look at these new data points. Foreign direct investment is going up. The only reason there's foreign direct investment is that the government is subsidizing the investment that's coming here. That's not realistic, and it's not practical.
I mean, at this recent announcement last week with Honda, the person at Honda said Canada was their third choice. They looked at a couple of other countries before they came here. Why did they come here? It's because the government gave them tons of money. Of course, they're going to come here.
Natural gas has no business case, notwithstanding the fact that multiple countries, representatives and leaders have come here and asked for it. We're to believe that natural gas has no business case, but for some of these investments that the government is making, the only business case that exists is a subsidy. I have a hard time following that.
I appreciate the intervention from my colleague to remind everyone that those initial workers at these battery plants will be temporary foreign workers.
Mr. Chair, I'm going to pause here for a moment. Before I pass on the floor, I will come back to the transcript, because there is some good stuff in here. I think it's even more relevant to what we'll be discussing.
We were in the middle of witness testimony and hearing from officials on the budget. The government decided to put a very aggressive timeline on the budget to get it reported back to the House. We do this every single spring. The government could have brought forward a motion to have a certain number of witnesses and a certain number of hours. We could have agreed upon that and ensured that the NDP was satisfied with the number of witnesses, and then we could have deferred the decision about when to start clause-by-clause to any time. We could be dealing with it in a week from now. We could be dealing with it in two weeks from now. They could have brought a motion just on when they wanted to start clause-by-clause at any time and not taken witness time away.
I suspect that we'll wind up in the same place as we were last year. We'll run the clock all the way down to the end and have a rushed set of witnesses, or maybe not. Maybe this time it will require a House instruction. What we've been doing is not an effective way to be looking at bills.
I appreciated the fact that, with Bill C-59, we had a certain amount of witness testimony, which was negotiated with the former finance critic of the NDP. That was reasonable, but we could have the same here if we just agreed to defer the decision on the clause-by-clause start date for a couple of weeks, or even just a couple of meetings. It's unfortunate that we may be here tonight until midnight, as I understand there are resources.
I'll have to find another podcast with Mr. Carney to regale you all with, but it's pretty clear that Mr. Carney is looking to enter the political arena so I think we should give him the opportunity. He's been to this committee before. He's always held himself very well. He's capable on a number of fronts. He's a dynamic individual who already appeared at the Senate committee last week. He appeared at the finance committee a couple of years ago. He's going on podcasts. He's giving speeches.
Those Liberal caucus members who are supporting other candidates should want Mr. Carney to face a certain level of scrutiny because it's not fair that members of cabinet who are also running have to stand up in the House of Commons and receive questions every day from opposition members, or they have to show up at a committee to be grilled. Those leadership contestants are facing a level of scrutiny. What Mr. Carney has been able to do is basically enter the political arena with very little scrutiny, so we'd like to provide him the opportunity to give his plan for Canadians and where he demarcates from the current government, as he's been talking about in a few of these examples such as that the budget is not focused enough on growth.
By the way, back in this podcast, which I didn't get to yet, but we will later, he talks about how it's going to be a couple of years before we see the benefits of the government's budget. I wonder if he thinks that those benefits have come true. It doesn't look like it by his recent comments.
Three years ago he said we needed to wait and see, and three years have gone by. I don't think he's as happy. Look, I quite like Mr. Carney. I think we would all learn something. It's not very often you have an opportunity to talk to somebody who's been the Governor of the Bank of England, the Governor of the Bank of Canada, the senior associate deputy minister in the Department of Finance, someone who was in the financial sector for 30 years and someone who has obviously thought a lot about public policy, has written a book about it and is now interested in contributing. I give him an immense amount of credit for wanting to think about how he can contribute to the country. I also think it's just reasonable to say, why don't you come in and talk about it?
I'd also say that those of you who are very upset with and hold dearly central bank independence should ask what's been done more to erode the independence of the central bank. There's the fact that in the U.S. the former fed chair is now the Secretary of the Treasury, and in Canada you have a former Governor of the Bank of Canada who wants to run for a political party. He has been at least very open about which political party he belongs to. I would submit that this actually has a lot to do with the eroding independence of the central bank.
By the way, just a couple of weeks ago, the Prime Minister said that interest rates would come down, which I found very surprising. I know my colleague, Mr. Lawrence, will likely have something to say on that later, but there's a news flash. The central bank isn't really that independent.
Anyway, you look at how much communication goes back and forth between the Department of Finance and the central bank on a regular basis. The government picks who leads it. The government at any time can send a letter or instructions to the central bank, in writing, on issues with respect to monetary policy. For example, back in 2013, there was this discussion about quantitative easing, and Jim Flaherty took some criticism for saying that Canada would not do quantitative easing. Guess what. Quantitative easing is the reason why we have inflation today.
There are a number of people now who have been questioning the use of quantitative easing. It was well within the finance minister's comments then, as he was able to write a letter or instructions to the central bank, but those individuals who thought that quantitative easing had no consequences for 10 years are now all basically backpedalling.
By the way, with MMT, modern monetary theory, and the fact that you could just print money with no consequences, those people are very quiet on Twitter these days, because it's created a significant amount of inflation. I think someone like Mr. Carney would have a lot to say about the intersection between monetary policy and fiscal policy. I also would love to ask the current central bank governor how he would feel if a former central bank governor was the Prime Minister. I wonder how those conversations would go.
I think it would be a wonderful opportunity to hear from Mr. Carney. As I said, I hold him in very high regard, and I think we should want the opportunity to hear from someone with a résumé like his and a desire like his to make the country better. I'd like to give him the platform to do that, and that's why I hope that my colleagues will at least agree to the subamendment, or a version of the subamendment, that would see Mr. Carney appear here as a witness as he has previously done before.
Quickly, before I pass the floor to the next speaker, we still haven't dealt with this money laundering motion yet. I see that there are four meetings in the main motion for money laundering. The last review of the Proceeds of Crime (Money Laundering) and Terrorist Financing Act was 14 meetings I think. It's inadequate. The government, which claims it's doing so much on money laundering, hasn't even kept its statutory obligation to review the act.
The government has been doing amendments to the money laundering act on a piecemeal basis, claiming that every time they make one little change it is the biggest monumental change. How about actually just completing the systemic review of the act to fulfill our obligation?
They're doing the exact same thing with money laundering that they're doing with competition. Every six months they come out with some new changes to the Competition Act and say that these are the most monumental changes that have ever been seen to the Competition Act. Now they're doing the same thing with money laundering. Are they making progress? Yes. Is it piecemeal? Yes. Is it inadequate? Yes, because they're not looking at the whole system.
I hope we can get through this motion. I also don't support the few meetings. I think we need to have many more meetings on money laundering. I hope that Mr. Carney will come and give us some ideas about how we can organize ourselves and our government better for the purpose of Canadians.
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.