An Act to amend the Interpretation Act and to make related amendments to other Acts

Status

This bill has received Royal Assent and is, or will soon become, law.

Summary

This is from the published bill. The Library of Parliament has also written a full legislative summary of the bill.

This enactment amends the Interpretation Act to provide that Acts of Parliament and regulations are to be construed as upholding the Aboriginal and treaty rights of Indigenous peoples recognized and affirmed by section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 , and not as abrogating or derogating from them. It also amends or repeals similar provisions in other Acts known as non-derogation clauses.

Elsewhere

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Alistair MacGregor NDP Cowichan—Malahat—Langford, BC

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Minister, welcome to the committee, and thank you for being here to discuss Bill S-13.

A large part of my riding's population is indigenous. In fact, two out of three names in my riding of Cowichan—Malahat—Langford are anglicized names of first nations. Any time I'm here as a member of Parliament discussing anything to do with indigenous rights, it's not merely a national issue for me; it's also very local. I have a lot of constituents who are very interested any time we're discussing this, either in the House of Commons or at committee.

You and I have both been here since 2015. In the previous Parliament, the 43rd Parliament, we passed Bill C-15, which is the federal United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. As you know, my province of B.C. has similar legislation as well.

The Province of British Columbia, however, also has an Interpretation Act. Its Interpretation Act makes specific reference to its Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. We don't see that in the current federal version of the Interpretation Act, nor do we see an amendment being made in Bill S-13.

The Senate report on this bill did make reference to the fact that this could be a pathway in the future. If you read Bill C-15, which is now part of the statutes of Canada, section 5 does state that “The Government of Canada must...take all measures necessary to ensure that the laws of Canada are consistent with the Declaration.”

I can appreciate what this bill does. It, of course, has our support. I think it's an important bit of federal housecleaning to make sure that we have consistency.

Perhaps I could ask you this, Minister. Why not follow the example of the Province of British Columbia? Why not have, in our federal Interpretation Act, maybe through Bill S-13 or through another measure in the future, a specific reference to that very important federal UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act?

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

You say that this had not been the case until now, but section 35 exists. I suspect it was passed from the very beginning, in 1867. This section has been around for a long time, but I don't know the exact date. Therefore, I'm not sure I fully understand the usefulness of Bill S‑13. Quite frankly, it seems to me that the protection afforded by section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982, is more important.

That being said, there are other elements that raise certain questions. If I understood you correctly, you said that this will help strengthen relations with indigenous communities and advance reconciliation. I'd like you to tell me about that before my time is up. How will Bill S‑13 advance reconciliation with indigenous communities? Is there a demand for that? Did any of the representatives of the indigenous communities tell you that section 35 of the Constitution wasn't enough? Were they unanimous in that regard?

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good afternoon, Mr. Minister. Welcome to our committee.

I read Bill S‑13. If I were to summarize it in a few sentences, I'd say that its purpose is to ensure that existing laws respect the indigenous rights and treaties that are included, recognized and affirmed in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982. How will Bill S‑13 affect what is already in section 35 of the Constitution?

Arif Virani Liberal Parkdale—High Park, ON

First of all, with respect to my first response to Mr. Brock, I'd like to say that I take the demonstration of anti-Semitism in Montreal very seriously. I've spoken in the House and I'll say it again today: What we saw in Montreal is absolutely unacceptable.

With respect to your question, I would point out that, over the past 40 years, one law at a time, we had to find a compromise regarding the language used to show that we weren't going to derogate from the indigenous rights protected by the Canadian Constitution. What changes with Bill S‑13 is that we are proposing an amendment to the Interpretation Act that will have a broader application and affect any bill and any statute adopted by the federal government.

That will help us in terms of the effectiveness and consistency of the language we use, because we have observed an inconsistency in that regard over the past 40 years. The language used in a bill 15 years ago is not the same as the language used, for example, 15 months ago.

Élisabeth Brière Liberal Sherbrooke, QC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Mr. Minister, welcome to the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights. Thank you for giving us this hour.

I'm going to ask questions about Bill S‑13.

Why was the non-derogation clause previously used on an ad hoc basis?

Larry Brock Conservative Brantford—Brant, ON

We support Bill S-13.

A few weeks ago, on November 11, during a bail compliance check, Toronto police officers found themselves—

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

I think the time was given to Mr. Brock to bring it back to Bill S-13. He has not done that, and now he has moved to another question unrelated to the topic. I know indigenous rights are very important to him, and he should move back to that topic.

Mr. Brock was insistent last week that Liberals stick to the topic. I'm curious why Conservatives don't hold themselves to the same standard.

Chris Bittle Liberal St. Catharines, ON

Mr. Brock was outraged last week when we were here. He filibustered for an hour when there was a suggestion that we may ask questions of Mr. Viersen unrelated to the topic at hand.

This is unrelated to Bill S-13

November 25th, 2024 / 3:35 p.m.


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Parkdale—High Park Ontario

Liberal

Arif Virani LiberalMinister of Justice

Thank you, Madam Chair.

Good afternoon, everyone. I'm pleased to be back here at the justice committee to speak about Bill S-13, an act to amend the Interpretation Act and to make related amendments to other acts.

Bill S-13 is a long time coming, colleagues. Indigenous peoples have been the driving force behind this bill for decades. I want to acknowledge that, in the room behind me, we have members of ITK. They were some of the principal movers of the bill, among others. I want to acknowledge their hard work, advocacy and dedication in advancing this important legislation. I also want to thank all members of the House for putting aside the gridlock to allow this important piece of legislation to pass.

Many first nations, Inuit and Métis have long called for a section 35-related non-derogation clause to be added to the federal Interpretation Act. This clause would be standardized and signify the importance of upholding “aboriginal and treaty rights” in Canadian law, as affirmed in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982. It would apply to all federal laws.

As part of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act Action Plan, released on June 21, 2023, indigenous peoples have determined that the proposed adoption of a non-derogation clause is an ongoing priority.

Passage of this bill would mark the successful implementation of some of the measures outlined in the Action Plan's chapter entitled “Shared Priorities”. Consultations were held with several indigenous partners. They worked with us to move this bill forward. Indigenous peoples and organizations that represent them participated in more than 70 meetings and filed more than 45 submissions on the non-derogation clause legislative initiative.

I'm extremely grateful to all those who shared their perspectives and technical expertise.

This brings us now to the substance of this bill. Bill S-13's purpose is to add a section 35-related non-derogation clause to the federal Interpretation Act and to repeal most currently existing section 35-related non-derogation clauses found in other statutes. In this context, a non-derogation clause is a clause that states laws should be interpreted to uphold, and not diminish, the aboriginal and treaty rights affirmed in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982.

Section 35 rights are of fundamental importance to indigenous peoples. These rights are constitutionally protected from infringement by government action, including through legislation, unless infringement is justifiable in accordance with the rigorous test set out by the Supreme Court in Sparrow.

At its core, section 35 serves to recognize indigenous peoples’ pre-existing rights and systems of governance, as well as to recognize the rights from treaties that have been concluded between Canada and indigenous peoples over past centuries. A section 35-related non-derogation clause aims to affirm and uphold this constitutional protection, highlighting the importance of applying federal legislation in a way that avoids infringing on these rights.

Bill S‑13 would ensure that all federal statutes are interpreted in a manner consistent with section 35 of the Constitution. It would therefore no longer be necessary, in the future, to add a non-derogation clause to each federal act. As such, Bill S‑13 would also remove the onus on indigenous peoples to advocate for a non-derogation clause to be added to each new bill that they believe could infringe on section 35 rights.

The rights of indigenous peoples should be respected by default. It shouldn't be necessary to repeat this in every act, regulation and order in council. The bill makes that possible. It also contributes to the government's reconciliation efforts with indigenous peoples. In addition, the bill promotes the consistency of federal legislation with respect to non-derogation clauses. Over the past 40 years, an ad hoc approach, combined with the changing legal landscape and legislative drafting practices, has led to non-derogation provisions that differ from one another.

Currently, there are several federal statutes that contain non-derogation clauses, with inconsistent wording. In order to ensure the clarity and consistency of laws, this bill proposes that almost all non-derogation clauses in existing laws would be repealed. The only exceptions would be a small number of laws where indigenous peoples who are directly impacted by specific legislation have indicated that it is important to retain the non-derogation clause in question.

I would underscore that the bill also builds on the important work done by the Standing Senate Committee on Legal and Constitutional Affairs, culminating in its 2007 report entitled “Taking Section 35 Rights Seriously: Non-derogation Clauses relating to Aboriginal and treaty rights”. Many indigenous leaders and experts participated in the Senate committee hearings leading to the 2007 report. Indigenous peoples continued to advocate for a non-derogation clause after the release of the Senate report back in 2007.

In response to this ongoing advocacy and leadership, my department launched the consultation and co-operation process that led to the bill that is before all of you today. This started with preliminary conversations with key indigenous partners who had been involved with the Senate report. Then, in December 2020, letters were sent to nearly 60 indigenous rights holders and representative organizations, inviting them to meet with Justice officials or to provide written submissions, which occurred over the following year.

From December 2021 to May 2023, a significantly expanded group of indigenous partners had the opportunity to provide feedback on the initiative. This new consultation and collaboration process took place in two additional phases. The first began in December 2021, when the previous Minister of Justice announced an expanded consultation and collaboration process, consistent with the requirements of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples Act. Starting in February 2022, additional meetings were held with indigenous partners and several provided written responses to explore options for amending the Interpretation Act to include a non-derogation clause.

From March 1, 2023, to April 14 of the same year, the final phase of the consultation and co-operation process involved posting a draft legislative proposal on the Justice Canada website. This method enabled indigenous partners to review and comment on the draft legislative proposal. The draft legislative proposal was used to inform the language of Bill S-13, which remained identical.

Throughout the process, indigenous partners were broadly supportive of the non-derogation clause amendment, although there were differing views regarding the specific wording of the clause. Some preferred the expression “indigenous peoples”, while others preferred the expression “aboriginal and treaty rights” as it more closely reflects section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982. The proposed language in this bill uses both of these expressions to reflect a compromise between the language options.

The fate of the non-derogation clauses found in existing laws was also the subject of sustained discussions with indigenous partners. Many indigenous partners argued that non-derogation provisions should remain in laws that directly impact indigenous peoples, if that is the wish of the affected peoples.

The amendments proposed in the bill reflect what we heard from indigenous peoples during the consultation and collaboration process. Those exchanges enriched and clarified the wording of the non-derogation clause.

The bill and the process that brought us here are other examples of what can be accomplished when we work together. The bill marks an important step in respecting the rights of Canada's indigenous peoples.

As a federal government, we are very proud to be able to move forward with Bill S-13 as a further demonstration of our commitment to reconciliation and the recognition and implementation of indigenous rights.

As parliamentarians, I think we can all be proud of the work we're doing together to ensure that all federal laws are interpreted in a way that upholds section 35 of the Constitution. This initiative will contribute to promoting, protecting and affirming indigenous rights at the federal level and bring greater coherence and consistency to the interpretation of all federal laws.

At the same time, I would emphasize that it is indigenous peoples who laid the foundation for this bill by maintaining their resolve to see this initiative come to fruition. In that way, Bill S-13 demonstrates the important lessons of working in partnership and collaboration with first nations, Inuit and Métis in order to build stronger nation-to-nation, Inuit-Crown and government-to-government relationships.

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab

Good afternoon, everyone.

I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to the meeting.

It's meeting number 123 of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights.

Pursuant to the order adopted by the House on November 19, 2024, the committee is meeting in public to begin its study of Bill S-13, an act to amend the Interpretation Act and to make related amendments to other acts.

I have a few housekeeping rules. I remind members and witnesses to wait until they're recognized before they speak. All questions and responses are to go through the chair.

I want to welcome the Minister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada, Arif Virani.

With him is Laurie Sargent, assistant deputy minister, indigenous rights and relations portfolio.

November 4th, 2024 / 4:55 p.m.


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Acting Director, Legislation, Engagement and Regulations, Department of Indigenous Services

Rebecca Blake

Maybe I can assist from a policy perspective. Clause 43 would only impact the existing 3(1). It wouldn't impact any other clauses that would be added.

Should the committee decide to go forward with that historic opportunity, that would be different from the existing 3(1), and there would be no impacts if Bill S-13 did pass.

November 4th, 2024 / 4:50 p.m.


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Senior Counsel, Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs, Department of Indigenous Services

Douglas Fairbairn

Clause 43 is the coordinating amendment that refers to Bill S-13, which would be an amendment to the Interpretation Act, and that would essentially bring a new non-derogation clause that would apply to all federal statutes. That would replace the existing non-derogation clause in clause 3 of this bill if the Interpretation Act amendment were to pass.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

I don't know if this is the right time, Mr. Chair, but since we are studying amendment G‑1 and its components, I would like to come back to clause 43, the coordinating amendment. The clause relates to Bill S‑13.

Will clause 3 of the bill be repealed in its entirety? Would the committee not want to keep it, given that we want to give the bill a more historic, established scope?

Lori Idlout NDP Nunavut, NU

Thank you.

If Bill S-13 passes....

The purpose of clause 3 is to outline that there are rights to be upheld because of the Constitution. The two amendments that we've suggested are adding—what's the word? I can't think of it in Inuktitut or English.

The difference between PV-1 and G-1.... When I suggested my own amendment that's very similar, it was because the Blackfoot Confederacy also wanted this clause for them to understand that, if Bill S-13 passes, the removal of clause 3 does not impact their right to water.

The purpose of recognizing that right—whether it's a great, wonderful thing or not, or whether we've made an attempt to enshrine international law into this bill—won't matter anyway if Bill S-13 passes.

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

I'm referring to clause 43 at the end of the bill. It mentions that if Bill S-13 receives royal assent, clause 3 of this bill would no longer be in force, if I read it correctly.

Please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious from that standpoint.