Yes, that's right.
It's too bad that we didn't sign agreements with Pakistan on a range of issues during the 14 years we were in Afghanistan. The problem is that our development strategy didn't make sense from the get‑go.
Now the challenge is evacuating people and reviving development efforts in Afghanistan. It can still be done, in my view. I repeat, I have a lot more development experience in Pakistan. During the Canadian International Development Agency days, we even had access to villages in the most culturally conservative areas of Pakistan. That's not the problem.
The problem is this idea that engaging directly with the Pakistani government is wrong. I have a different view. I have met with six of Canada's high commissioners in Pakistan, and they all agree that North America is culturally resistant to the idea of engaging with Pakistan.