Evidence of meeting #8 for Afghanistan in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christopher MacLennan  Deputy Minister, International Development, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Paul Thoppil  Assistant Deputy Minister, Asia Pacific, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Jennifer Loten  Director General, International Crime and Terrorism, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Stephen Salewicz  Director General, International Humanitarian Assistance, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Patrick Hill  Executive Director and Senior General Counsel, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

6:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number eight of the House of Commons Special Committee on Afghanistan, created pursuant to the order of the House of December 8, 2021.

Today’s meeting is taking place in hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of November 25, 2021.

I would like to remind all those present in this room to please follow the recommendations from public health authorities, as well as the directive of the Board of Internal Economy on October 19, 2021, to remain healthy and safe.

Should any technical challenges arise, please advise me, as we may need to suspend for a few minutes to ensure all members are able to participate fully.

Witnesses should also be aware that translation in English and French is available through the globe icon at the bottom of their screen.

As we had discussed during meeting number seven on March 28, I want to outline for the members the tentative schedule for the next few weeks following the break weeks.

On April 25, we will have Minister of Immigration, Refugees and Citizenship Canada Sean Fraser and his officials. He will be here for the first hour. For the second hour we will have Minister of Foreign Affairs Mélanie Joly and department officials.

For the May 2 meeting, in the first hour, the tentative witnesses will be Afghan interpreters Masood Matin Hotak, Jamy Kohistany and Zareef Mayar. For the second hour, we tentatively have witnesses Warda Shazadi Meighen from the International Association of Women Judges, and Robert St. Aubin from Rainbow Railroad.

On May 9 for the first hour, we will have Anita Anand, Minister of National Defence and her department officials. For the second hour, we will have Canadian Armed Forces members and department officials.

After May 9, we will begin report consideration beginning with the drafting instructions on May 16 and, hopefully, report consideration on May 30 and June 6. We have been instructed by the House to present our report by June 8, as per the motion creating this special committee.

Is everyone okay with that plan?

Madam Kwan.

April 4th, 2022 / 6:35 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

I was informed that for the week of April 11, originally we were to have witnesses. However witnesses would not be able to come on April 11. I'd like to propose that for April 11, we invite former Afghan interpreters to come to fill that slot.

I would be able to submit their names and information for the clerk.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Madam Kwan, I just want to clarify. Are they the same witnesses who are scheduled on May 2?

6:35 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

No, they're not.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Okay.

Is it the will of the committee to...? I don't see any opposition.

I'll instruct on behalf of the committee, Madam Clerk, to please arrange that on April 11.

6:35 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you to committee members.

I'll make sure that information is passed on to the clerk to make the contacts.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Thank you.

I would now like to welcome here today the Honourable Harjit Singh Sajjan, Minister of International Development, minister responsible for the Pacific Economic Development Agency of Canada and, of course, formerly the Minister of National Defence.

Accompanying Minister Sajjan is the deputy minister of international development, Christopher MacLennan. Also from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development, I would like to welcome assistant deputy minister, Asia Pacific, Paul Thoppil; director general, international crime and terrorism, Jennifer Loten; director general, international humanitarian assistance, Stephen Salewicz; and executive director and senior general counsel, Patrick Hill.

On behalf of the committee members, I welcome each of you again.

I understand, Minister, that you will be with us for the first hour until 7:30 p.m. The department officials will remain with us for the second hour from 7:30 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. Is that correct?

6:35 p.m.

Vancouver South B.C.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan LiberalMinister of International Development

Yes, sir.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Thank you, Minister. You have five minutes for your opening statement. Please be mindful of the time allotted for members to interact with you and for you to field questions.

6:35 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to the members of the committee for having me here today.

Canada has a long history of supporting the Afghanistan people. Over two decades we have seen Canadian development funding that helped a generation of Afghans achieve a higher standard of living and the resettlement of thousands of Afghan refugees to Canada. As well, 40,000 Canadians bravely served in Afghanistan from December 2001 until 2014.

Our focus has been on the people of Afghanistan, supporting development, peace and security, and humanitarian aid for the Afghan people. However, since the Taliban takeover in August, we have seen an appalling regression on many of these gains. Most disturbingly, the Taliban continued its zealous and ideological intolerance for the equality of women and girls. This must stop.

The humanitarian situation is dire. The UN estimates that 24 million people inside Afghanistan require humanitarian assistance in 2022. They urgently need food assistance, treatment for malnutrition, shelter and access to basic health services. Right now 23 million people, half of Afghanistan's population, are acutely food-insecure, including 8.7 million people who are at risk of famine. Almost five million people in Afghanistan will require treatment for acute malnutrition. That includes 2.8 million children. Currently, 6.5 million people are lacking the appropriate shelter and supplies to survive Afghanistan's harsh winters. As well, three million children under five and 3.4 million women of reproductive age will require emergency health services in 2022 alone.

In this immense suffering, we cannot lose sight of those Afghan women and girls. They have been disproportionately impacted by this food insecurity, which has only been made worse by Russia's unjustifiable war in Ukraine. Their lives have been uprooted and destroyed because of the Taliban's unjustifiable discrimination against women and girls. We must continue to stand up in their defence. We must ensure that our support meets the unique needs that women and girls have.

In the face of these multiple crises, Canada is focused on helping. We're supporting experienced humanitarian partners that are delivering results on the ground, helping to provide food, nutrition, shelter and health care. Last week I announced that Canada is providing an additional $50 million, for a total of $142 million in 2022, to help support the people of Afghanistan, particularly women and girls.

Currently, the World Food Programme is delivering food assistance at critical need, where half of the population is food-insecure. With our support—it amounts to over half of Canada's recent humanitarian assistance—the World Food Programme has provided 13 million people with the food they desperately need. We also support UNICEF's procurement of ready-to-use therapeutic food, which treats cases of severe acute malnutrition in children under five, helping them to save over 56,000 children from dying of starvation.

We are partnering with International Organization for Migration, who, along with other humanitarian partners, have helped provide over 500,000 people with shelter, fuel, heaters and winter clothing. The ICRC is supporting hospitals and the staff who work in them to help prevent the total collapse of health services in Afghanistan. They continue to scale up their efforts with Canadian support.

I want to thank our humanitarian partners who are doing critical work in Afghanistan and the region. They operate on the front lines of this response day after day, under challenging circumstances.

Afghanistan is on the brink. We know that our partners need more help to avoid a humanitarian catastrophe. That is why Canada will continue to be part of the solution. Our humanitarian response since August is the largest it has ever been for Afghanistan. In 2022 Canada's humanitarian assistance will be $142 million. We will continue to work to address the pressing humanitarian needs, including access to humanitarian relief, health care and education. We will continue to fight for the rights of women and girls. We will continue to be there for the people of Afghanistan.

Thank you.

I'll take your questions now, Mr. Chair.

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

Thank you, Minister, for staying within the time frame.

Members of Parliament, before we begin the rounds, you know that I hate cutting you off when you're questioning, so please keep an eye on your clock today. That way, all the members can have time with the minister.

We will begin our six-minute round with my own member—and my friend—Madam Findlay, followed by Mr. Sidhu, Mr. Brunelle-Duceppe and Madam Kwan.

Ms. Findlay, you have six minutes for questions. Please begin.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Welcome, Minister and Deputy Minister.

You know we have a short amount of time, so I'm going to get to my questions.

As the former minister of national defence, can you tell us what role you played in the planning, execution and evacuation of Canadians and Canadian allies from Afghanistan?

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, as the minister of national defence, we obviously played a very important role in the evacuation when the security situation drastically decreased, especially for our personnel in our embassy.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

In terms of the evacuation, how actively involved were you at the time in terms of being kept informed? How much time did you spend in the command centre?

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, during that time, I was totally focused on the mission to Afghanistan.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

You were solely focused on the mission, but I'm asking about the evacuation.

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Yes. I'm talking about the evacuation. At that time, our sole focus was the evacuation in Afghanistan.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

I understand.

What proactive steps did you take to get people who may have been your colleagues, or even friends, out of Afghanistan during the evacuation?

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Which time frame are you referring to?

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

During the time of—

6:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Sukh Dhaliwal

If you could go through the chair, that would be much appreciated.

6:40 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

I started by saying that. I assumed you understood that.

Through the chair to you, Minister, I'm asking at the time of evacuation, when people were leaving, what proactive steps did you take to get people who were your colleagues, or even friends, out of Afghanistan during that evacuation?

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

During that time, as the security situation was decreasing, there was a request from Global Affairs to provide security for the embassy personnel. It was something I authorized in early April. After that, because the situation was drastically deteriorating, the team on the ground, which we increased, changed its system of support toward the evacuation of as many people as possible at that time.

6:45 p.m.

Conservative

Kerry-Lynne Findlay Conservative South Surrey—White Rock, BC

Through the chair, Minister, when did the miliary start planning the evacuation of Canadians and Canadian allies from Afghanistan?

6:45 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Mr. Chair, as I stated, when we received a request from Global Affairs Canada.... Keep in mind that we had not had a military footprint in the country since 2014.

When the request came from Global Affairs Canada that they required greater assistance from the military for the security of our personnel doing assessments, it was early April—April 1—when I approved the request.