That, Mr. Rae, is one of the things that most surprised me about this exchange. Richard felt very strongly that because of the problems that everybody knew existed in the Afghan system we needed to do one of a number of things: we could stop transferring, we could build a prison, or we could set up a robust monitoring regime, for which we'd have to devote more resources. We opted for the third course. In fact, after that message, the exchange of April 24, he sent a message about a week later saying thank you for listening to my views.
He mentioned in committee that he had come to meetings in Ottawa. He didn't stumble into a meeting. These were very serious, high-level meetings on this file.