Mr. Chair, our comments have to be restricted to anecdotal information, in essence.
When we were formulating the needs assessment information, working with Mr. Saleh on a direct and indirect basis, he stressed the importance that he wanted to place on human rights, and wanted us to include a significant module on values and ethics to ensure that human rights were being exercised and a proper adherence to human rights was being exercised by his intelligence officers. We designed that into the program, and that's what I was referencing in my remarks about organization development being driven by certain policies and issues that were raised by the ministry's leader himself.
I can't comment on what it was like beforehand. I can only comment that we were asked by Mr. Saleh to include a focus on human rights in the design of the program.
We placed a significant emphasis on that. We had a good way of demonstrating human rights in an organization in a video. That material was well received. We had the same sort of discussion with the gentleman who ran prisons for NDS. He certainly didn't give us any pushback on acceptance of, adherence to, and respect for human rights in the conduct of his duties.