Evidence of meeting #21 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was prices.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

David MacKay  Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers
Roger Larson  President, Canadian Fertilizer Institute
Clyde Graham  Vice-President, Strategy and Alliances, Canadian Fertilizer Institute
Greg Haney  Manager, , AgroCentre Belcan inc.

9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

I call the meeting to order.

Good day, ladies and gentlemen. We are ready to go. We have a quorum.

I want to welcome to the table David MacKay, the executive director of the Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers. He's not a stranger to the committee. He has with him, from AgroCentre Belcan Inc., Greg Haney. From the Canadian Fertilizer Institute we have Roger Larson and Clyde Graham.

I want to welcome all of you to the committee and to our study on farm input costs and the rising crisis farmers are facing.

I invite Mr. MacKay to kick us off. Please keep your opening comments to 10 minutes or less.

9:05 a.m.

David MacKay Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members of the committee, for permitting us to share time with you this morning.

The Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers and its 1,000 members across the country service the nation’s producers and are the front line of a fertilizer and chemical trade worth over $3 billion. Our members work closely with grain and oilseed growers to maximize the return on their crop input investments.

Often underrated as a facilitator in the value chain, agri-retailers do not set the price of inputs or trigger market volatility, but they do have a price stabilizing effect that benefits producers. Constantly buying bulk quantities through volume-discounted contracts, dealers are able to lock in best pricing for their customers.

As a result of these pre-season agreements, growers rarely have to pay the open market price. These agreements also guarantee supply and just-in-time delivery to prevent growers from having to store inputs. In other words, dealer contracts serve as a hedge against market volatility, and the value-added services they bundle into the contracts help offset the sting of higher prices for growers.

Contrary to some opinions, crop input dealers do not benefit from high market prices of inputs. They, too, incur the high cost of goods sold, and they typically work within set margins that do not change, regardless of the price of the product. If anything, retailers often find their margins pinched because they wish to placate disgruntled customers and reward loyalty or because volatility often puts the cost of replacement product higher than the original selling price. So you could say that retailers are literally caught in the middle, and as such, they feel the squeeze from both ends.

Despite being disadvantaged by record high fertilizer costs as much as growers are, retailers do not perceive the market to be the result of any untoward business practices. Rather, it's a culmination of several economic factors, including unprecedented worldwide demand, a shift in North American crop allocation due to biofuel initiatives, lag time to increase manufacturing capacity, and an open global market.

The very same commodity-related supply and demand dynamics that are driving record grain prices are also driving fertilizer markets. It would seem somewhat exploitative to cry foul on one aspect of the commodity equation while embracing the other. Growers will have an opportunity to offset input costs with strong returns from the sale of future outputs. We are all praying for a bumper crop this year.

Retailers, on the other hand, do not see this market as an opportunity to widen margins. Instead, they are hoping for a greater volume of crop input orders from growers who want to invest to maximize their yields. But those hopes are being challenged by two unexpected obstacles: a tight supply line and lost sales because of global fertilizer suppliers.

CAAR believes that the supply shortfall will eventually be addressed as greater manufacturing capacity comes online. In the short term, growers may benefit from potential adjustments to the cash advance program or other credit initiatives that facilitate pre-purchasing of inputs from retailers on a contract basis. That will help to guarantee supply, lock in the best pricing, and avoid exposure to open market volatility.

If members of the committee are interested in tackling more immediate and tangible drivers of high input costs, CAAR urges you to consider helping retailers address obstacles that will necessitate incremental costs being passed on to growers. I'm referring to the prohibitive cost of pending retail site security and safety regulations. CAAR has testified in front of this committee before regarding this issue and has briefed many of you personally. We thank you for that opportunity and would like to further update you on why this issue now takes on even more urgency.

The shipment of 9,000 tonnes of ammonium nitrate to Churchill last October from Russia has exposed a potentially serious security vulnerability. The new NRCan restricted components regulation, derived from the industry-created ammonium nitrate code of practice, stipulates rigorous security and safety practices and is awaiting publication in the Canada Gazette Part II.

Retailers support these codes because they set out the type of prudent stewardship under which we have always operated. In fact, we have worked with industry to help write stewardship codes, including the code of practice for anhydrous ammonia, which will be enforceable in varying degrees between now and 2011. This code will be particularly challenging for the retail sector in terms of implementation costs.

Interestingly, the ammonium nitrate code and all future codes will not have jurisdiction over end-users. So in a period when we are seeing more and more on-farm bulk storage of fertilizer, including ammonium nitrate, important security regulations will not apply there. That is a problem, perhaps, for a different committee, but it does highlight an inequitable playing field for agricultural retailers who must comply with these codes.

Some CAAR members have reported that growers who have taken delivery of the Russian ammonium nitrate are asking us to store the product for them. As you know, ammonium nitrate is a product that western growers and retailers have not handled for some time, so storage provisions tend to be challenging because of the inherent risk and liability associated with the product. As such, retailers are understandably declining these storage requests. However, with some financial assistance from the Government of Canada, dealers would be able to upgrade their facilities to store these products securely.

CAAR's concern is not the merit of the codes or the competition from global suppliers, but the fact that regardless of where growers choose to buy, retailers will be required to perform extremely expensive site upgrades, which will only add additional cost to the input value chain and drive our customers further away from us and into the hands of foreign suppliers. We refer to this scenario as compulsory economic suicide.

A number of government departments have reported that they have consulted with the industry and concluded that these initiatives would be cost-neutral or nominal. I can tell you they did not consult with agri-retailers. As the sector that has to incur these costs, we have done our research into the expenses, and they are anything but nominal.

Many of you have been presented with estimates based on actual government-approved expenses under a comparable security contribution program, the marine security contribution program. These costs extend into the multiple tens of thousands of dollars per site, a far cry from the government-estimated $120,000 for the entire agricultural retail sector.

In summary, CAAR is not advocating that grower access to world fertilizer or chemical markets be restricted. We are prepared to compete as best we can and recognize that growers are simply seeking alternative market opportunities. Their message is clear: crop input prices are becoming unbearable, so the last thing we as their suppliers want to do is introduce further cost into the system, only to see the customers who have sustained our livelihoods scatter for cheaper products.

The bottom line is that retailers want to continue to be responsible stewards of the products that are essential for sustaining crop production agriculture in Canada, but if the rules of engagement force retailers to economically alienate their own customers, then the system will inevitably break down. CAAR is respectfully asking for the government's help to neutralize this obstacle, uphold the practice of responsible stewardship, retain more trade within Canada, and prevent additional upward pressure on crop input prices.

Thank you.

9:10 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you, Mr. MacKay.

Mr. Larson, perhaps you'll kick us off for the Fertilizer Institute.

9:10 a.m.

Roger Larson President, Canadian Fertilizer Institute

Thank you, Mr. Bezan and members of the committee, for this opportunity to present to you on farm input costs. I'm the president of the Canadian Fertilizer Institute. With me is Mr. Clyde Graham, vice-president of the CFI.

Fertilizer is the most important crop input. Canadian farmers spend about $2.7 billion per year to purchase their needed fertilizer inputs. Today, global economic growth in developing countries is driving increased global demand for grains. It is not rising world population so much as it is the rising expectation for a better diet from a new, expanding middle class in developing countries. It takes three pounds of grain to produce a pound of chicken and five pounds for pork. Alternative uses for grains, such as biofuels, have been given a lot of attention recently, but the real driver in the market is the demand for better food diets in developing countries. That, in turn, is increasing demand for fertilizer to produce that grain. The result is competition among farmers around the world for the current supplies of fertilizer.

Fertilizer is a commodity that is produced, shipped, and used around the world. There are well over 250 companies internationally that produce fertilizer products. Canada's border is open to fertilizer imports. There are no tariffs, duties, or trade barriers. When we asked one of our members what was required to import urea fertilizer from the United States to Canada, the reply was simple: a customs broker and a truck.

Many of our 41 member companies are engaged in importing fertilizer into Canada. Within Canada, there are about a dozen companies that make various kinds of nitrogen fertilizers. There are three major firms that produce potash. We produce half of the phosphate that we use in Canada, and our industry imports the other half, mostly from the U.S.

Fertilizer prices paid by Canadian farmers continue to rise. However, commodity prices for wheat, barley, corn, soybeans, and canola are also at record-high levels. Who would have ever thought of wheat at over $20 per bushel? As I hear more and more concerns from farmers about fertilizer prices, I note the price they are receiving for their grain. How many bushels of wheat does it take to pay for a fertilizer bill today versus in 2002? It's all about economics.

Since the beginning of 2008, we have met with farm groups and producer groups that are concerned about the fertilizer supply and prices. Farmers want to know why fertilizer is the most expensive on record and whether there will be enough this spring. One thing that has made farmers angry is reports that fertilizer prices are higher in western Canada than in neighbouring U.S. states. Those reports are often based on anecdotal evidence, or small samples taken before spring seeding, when supply-demand conditions can, frankly, be chaotic.

On any given day, there will be differences in the price or quotes of various agri-retailers within Canada or on either side of the border. Government studies have shown that over time prices are equivalent. In fact, Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada reported in March 2007 that there has been no significant difference in Canada–U.S. fertilizer prices in more than a decade. I'd like to quote from that report:

The fertilizer market is global in nature and the North American fertilizer market is completely open and integrated. As a result, Canadian fertilizer prices are linked to the U.S. market.

Statistical analysis has confirmed that average fertilizer prices in Canada and the U.S. border area were not statistically different for urea, mono-ammonium phosphate, and muriate of potash over the 1993-2006 period.

One of the things we distributed to members of Parliament was a deck of 10 slides that illustrated a Green Markets dealer report that features wholesale market coverage from 12 regions in North America. This report is updated every week, and it's commercially available. It shows a remarkable consistency in prices around different regions in North America.

Farmers around the world want more fertilizer. The increase in the international demand for fertilizers has been a factor in the rising cost of fertilizer. Global nitrogen fertilizer demand has increased 14%, phosphate demand has grown by 13%, and potash demand by 10% between 2001 and 2006.

There are three major drivers for the surge in world fertilizer demand. First, India, China, and Brazil are leading as the largest contributors to growth. Ninety per cent of the growth in global nutrient demand is from developing countries. Other factors are world cereal production and consumption, which is on the rise, and corn-based ethanol production in the U.S.

I want to close my comments by saying that the world fertilizer industry is responding to strong market prices. The International Fertilizer Industry Association forecasts significant increases in global fertilizer manufacturing capacity between now and 2011: a 22% increase in urea production, an 8% increase in phosphate production, and a 16% increase in potash production. Canadian fertilizer manufacturers are investing some $3.5 billion in Canada on increased fertilizer manufacturing over the next few years.

With that, I'd like to turn it over to Mr. Graham, who is also executive director of the Crop Nutrients Council in Canada. Clyde works with producer groups across the country to build value for Canadian farmers.

Clyde.

March 11th, 2008 / 9:20 a.m.

Clyde Graham Vice-President, Strategy and Alliances, Canadian Fertilizer Institute

Good morning.

At the Canadian Fertilizer Institute, we believe that farmers should work closely with their agri-retailers well in advance of seeding, to get the best value for their fertilizer dollar. Agri-retailers are the best source of information on the fertilizer market, but they need good, timely information from their farmer customers so that they can plan their purchase of fertilizer supplies.

What can governments do? There are some things governments should consider in order to help farmers in purchasing fertilizer.

Experience shows that waiting till the last minute to buy fertilizer puts supplies at risk and can lead to increased costs. Do farmers have the information they need to make informed decisions about the market? Well, that's a question for government. At the CFI, we have asked the George Morris Centre, an independent economic think tank, to look at some of these issues about the strategies farmers should be considering in purchasing their fertilizer inputs. These go to concepts such as hedging, long-term contracting and pre-purchasing of fertilizer, managing their interest rate risk, and negotiating with the dealers to get the best value they can from their agri-retailers. I think it's essentially the issue that an informed consumer is a smart consumer.

Does the federal spring cash advance program allow farmers to arrange for their fertilizer purchases when they and their suppliers can make the best plans for their overall product and service needs? I think that's an important question that needs to be looked at.

Do the lending programs offered by Farm Credit Canada provide farmers with the flexibility they need to take advantage of opportunities to buy fertilizer well in advance of spring seeding?

I want to echo what David MacKay has said, that the Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers has been asking the federal government to provide 75% funding for the capital costs of new safety and security measures for fertilizer outlets across Canada. Is the government prepared to assist in meeting this security challenge?

I think all these are questions this committee should consider.

Thank you very much. We would welcome your questions.

9:20 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you, gentlemen.

We're going to kick it off with a seven-minute round, and leading off is Mr. Easter.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

Thanks, Mr. Chair.

I guess, going to Mr. MacKay, we have met on these security requirements before, and I certainly feel you have a legitimate complaint. There's no question in my mind that if you have additional costs imposed on you, those costs are going to be transferred down the line to farmers. Farmers are always the ones all the costs go back down to.

I don't believe you said it today, but am I right in the figure for your average local retailer outside Delisle, Saskatchewan, or someplace? Is the cost of the security fence, lighting, etc., about $70,000? Is that the figure?

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

It potentially could be $70,000 per site, depending on the existing site infrastructure. The averages we've put forth range anywhere from about $40,000 to $70,000 per site, times 800 to 1,000 sites across Canada.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

So it's 800 to 1,000 sites, and $40,000 to $70,000 per site.

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

It depends on the current infrastructure, but yes, that's correct.

9:20 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

What's happening south of the border? You guys are in contact with your equivalent dealerships or agri-retailers south of the border. What are they doing?

9:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

The United States, through the Department of Homeland Security, has a special registration for products of concern, and with that special plans where, in terms of security risks, each of these agri-retail sites will be placed in a registration process. They've all had to file a registration that identifies all the products of concern. Now they're in a process of having to implement site security upgrades to comply with new Department of Homeland Security regulations based on a tiered approach of threat assessment done by the department.

It's my understanding that there currently is a bill in front of the Senate in the United States that discusses the opportunity of providing enhanced and accelerated tax rebates to agri-retailers in order to compensate for some of these incremental security expenses. I'm not sure of the status of that bill currently. I think it's still being considered by the Senate.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

It's in the Senate.

9:25 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

Yes. There's also a House bill that is, I believe, identical. My understanding of the U.S. system is that if two identical bills are processed, one through the House and one through the Senate, an intergovernmental committee would not be required. But I don't know the status of these bills.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

I wonder, Mr. Chair, if we could ask the Canadian embassy to look into those bills. If there's one thing the Americans do, it's that they follow everything we do. Our embassy is a little slack in that regard.

In relation to both fertilizer and all agricultural supplies, I hear what the Fertilizer Institute is saying: buy early, hedge, use advance payments, whatever. I guess my concern is with regard to what's really happening here. If it has to be paid for up front, if delivery has to be taken up front, then the farm community is providing the fertilizer companies with an interest-free cash advance on your costs of carrying fertilizer. So I guess I'd have to ask, what's in it for farmers?

Secondly, with regard to security concerns about small agri-retailers, we have farmers out there who are growing huge acreages. In my neck of the woods and elsewhere across the country, I know that you have to have pretty good facilities to put those chemicals in, but can we expect the security costs for on-farm as well? Does anybody know the answer to that? If I'm storing 200 tonnes of ammonium nitrate, am I as a farmer going to be required to meet these security requirements of the Government of Canada? And how does that put me at a disadvantage compared with my competitor south of the border?

9:25 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

Mr. Easter, to my understanding, based on at least the latest code of practice, the restricted components regulations from Natural Resources Canada, the farmers will not be subjected to that regulation save for one aspect--namely, they cannot resell the ammonium nitrate. And that's it. That's what we refer to as a lack of a level playing field.

Now, it potentially opens up a bit of a security issue, but we also are not interested in restricting storage of our growers. We do know that there will be a lot more on-farm storage, but that aspect of the code does not apply to them in terms of the stewardship of the product.

9:25 a.m.

Liberal

Wayne Easter Liberal Malpeque, PE

I find this remarkably strange. If the issue is security, then why is there a double standard?

I know there was 9/11, and that in Oklahoma fertilizer was used to blow up a building. I think central bureaucracies in both countries have gone substantially crazy on the security end. I was Solicitor General, I saw it up close. They've gone way overboard.

Where's the push for all this additional security coming from? Is it coming from the Canadian government? Is it being pushed by the Americans? Where's it coming from?

9:25 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

It's general industry stewardship. You see a lot of it come from industry itself. There is a degree of self-regulation that's proactive ahead of the government, but it works in conjunction with the government. I don't want to speak to the ammonium nitrate code as much as CFI might, because they were more instrumental in making that code a component of regulation. We often work with departments to try to get out ahead of the curve and make sure industry standards are set that are reasonable, comprehensive, and not onerous on industry.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Larson, please keep your comments brief, because Mr. Easter's time has expired.

9:30 a.m.

President, Canadian Fertilizer Institute

Roger Larson

Part of it is liability management, where suppliers need to ensure that their customers are providing a certain level of security, whether that's an ag retailer for a manufacturer, or a farmer for the ag retailer. That's part of the driver.

Certainly security agencies around the world--European, North American, etc.--are driving the security regulations. The U.S. regulations require registration of farmers in order to purchase ammonium nitrate. So they've gone the full length in their security requirements.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Thank you.

9:30 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Association of Agri-Retailers

David MacKay

Mr. Chair, I think he answered only one of his questions.

9:30 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative James Bezan

Mr. Easter's time is up and we're moving on. Everybody get's a chance at this table.

Mr. Bellavance, you have seven minutes, please.

9:30 a.m.

Bloc

André Bellavance Bloc Richmond—Arthabaska, QC

Good morning, gentlemen, and thank you for your testimony.

Mr. Larson, you seem to dismiss out of hand the studies concerning the differences between U.S. fertilizer prices and those of fertilizers sold in Canada. The KAP, Keystone Agricultural Producers study, conducted by Pricewaterhouse Coopers, has been cited extensively in committee. It seems very solid to me. In your presentation earlier, you talked about studies based on anectodal evidence and you cited some government studies. In your brief, I see a short passage from Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada's Bi-weekly Bulletin stating that, between 1993 and 2006, prices for certain fertilizers only were equivalent to those of fertilizers sold in the United States.

I'd like to know what you think about the KAP study, which states that the price cap was only 1% in 2004. I agree with you that we can understand why prices were equivalent in that year. Starting in 2006, however, the gap was 10% and, in 2007, it was 33%. I understand that this is a comparative study of Manitoba, Saskatchewan and North Dakota, but it was very well done. You referred to a number of Canadian government studies, and you cited the Bi-weekly Bulletin of March 30, 2007 to us. Do you have any other studies showing that prices are equivalent? Since 2006, do you agree that the gap, as the KAP study showed, has been quite a bit bigger than what we experienced in previous years?

9:30 a.m.

Vice-President, Strategy and Alliances, Canadian Fertilizer Institute

Clyde Graham

We've reviewed the KAP study. It was a very short-term study taken right before spring seeding, which is a very volatile period in the market. Farmers are trying to secure the last bit of fertilizer to put in their crops, so it's not the ideal time to buy fertilizer in most cases.

Agriculture Canada does the most comprehensive review of this. They have two independent organizations that review the marketplaces of Manitoba, North Dakota, Minnesota, Ontario, and the border states in the United States. They take samples of prices throughout the year and do a very comprehensive study. It is far more comprehensive than the very narrow snapshot taken during the volatile period of the season that KAP did.