Basically, with the programs we have now, if you don't have an established reference margin, they can make one up for you.
I'm not sure the beginning farmers...because Ontario did that payout last year that turned out to be a disaster in itself. The beginning farmers said that if you can't do subsidies any better than that, then just don't have them.
I think you can get things accomplished that are for the good of the industry through such things as when you funded environmental projects, or the things that farmers want to do. Young farmers especially are willing to embrace new things, but they can't afford them because they've got other regular....
We're pretty sure the federal government is not that excited about doing anything with cost of production, which treats all commodities equally. And if you're not willing to go that way--not that you shouldn't--then you need to use a carrot to revitalize agriculture.