There certainly are challenges with AgriStability, the suite of programs, when it comes to financial support for horticultural producers. They are intended to take out the valleys, but you have to have those peaks to make the valleys significant enough for the program to pay out. What's happening in horticulture is we're seeing that the cost of production is rising so quickly and market returns are not keeping pace. Generally speaking, horticultural farmers' ability to access those safety net programs is all but gone.
We are in a financial squeeze that, as you've heard from these other people here today, is very significant. In Ontario our apple acreage in 1994 was 34,000 acres, and next year we're anticipating it to be below 12,000 acres. It's coming out fast and furious, mainly because the cost of production, market returns--there's not enough in between to justify doing it anymore. That's the bottom line with a lot of us. It's sad, but it is true.