Evidence of meeting #59 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was farmers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Pierre Corriveau  Assistant Deputy Minister, Corporate Management Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Greg Meredith  Assistant Deputy Minister, Strategic Policy Branch, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food

3:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

I'd like to call the meeting to order. We have quorum.

We've had some interruptions today with votes. Under no illusion that we're done with voting yet, if everyone agrees and we have quorum, we will just start into the meeting. Pursuant to Standing Order 81(4), we're considering the main estimates for 2015-16, votes 1, 5, and 10 under Agriculture and Agri-Food, vote 1 under Canadian Dairy Commission, and vote 1 under the Canadian Grain Commission, referred to the committee on February 24, 2015.

Colleagues, we have with us today and we welcome the Honourable Gerry Ritz, the Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food.

Thank you, Minister, for being with us today.

What I want to do without any further ado is give the minister the opportunity for his opening comments. Then we will see what happens in terms of when the bells will ring.

Minister, your opening statement, please.

April 30th, 2015 / 3:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Honourable Gerry Ritz Conservative Gerry Ritz

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Today I have with me deputy minister Andrea Lyon; assistant deputy ministers Greg Meredith and Pierre Corriveau; and of course Paul Mayers with the CFIA.

It's been a busy time in Canadian agriculture since we last met. We've had the Canada-Korea Free Trade Agreement come into force on January 1 of this year, the passage of the Agricultural Growth Act, and a very successful trade mission with Canadian industry to Southeast Asia in March.

Just two weeks ago we announced that the CWB had reached a strategic partnership to secure the resources they need to become an independent, strong, and global competitor in the grains sector. This agreement with G3 Global Grain Group is expected to increase Canada's grain export capacity, adding hundreds of jobs and hundreds of millions of dollars of economic growth across the Prairies. The stronger CWB unit will continue to offer farmers an opportunity to build equity in this new company, simply by continuing to deliver their grain.

With this agreement our government has fully delivered on our commitment to marketing freedom by increasing marketing choice for western Canadian grain farmers, as well as keeping the CWB as a strong, viable option for farmers. As I said in Winnipeg, this announcement is a win for Canada's producers and a win for Canada's economy.

Agriculture continues to drive the Canadian economy. Of course, the main estimates are always about looking ahead. When we do so, we see a bright future for this great, dynamic sector.

Demand is growing around the world for the high-quality food that our Canadian farmers and food processors continue to deliver. To allow them to capture that demand, we've sharpened the focus on strategic investments that promote innovation, competitiveness, and market development initiatives, while continuing to proactively manage their risk.

The estimates you have before you reflect this transformational change. Powered by a $3-billion funding envelope over five years, Growing Forward 2 is really moving the goalsticks, driving our economy and the sustainability of the sector overall.

A great example of this is the agri-risk initiative, or ARI. This is a new tool introduced under Growing Forward 2. Rather than taking action after the fact, the idea is to get out front and centre, and support bankable, predictable insurance tools that producers can use to proactively manage their risk.

A number of initiatives are already in place, including livestock price insurance, implemented in the western provinces of Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia, who bought on. At last count, cattle producers there have insured close to one million head, valued at $1.7 billion.

Last week our government introduced the budget, which commits a further $30 million over two years to grow Canada's marketing presence around the globe. This new support will help expand the activities of the market access secretariat and those of the CFIA to jointly support this agricultural sector in continuing to maintain as well as expand and diversify into new markets, while capitalizing on opportunities created by the trade agreements we're signing. This will also include new agricultural trade commissioners, and a more proactive role in setting international, science-based standards. The funding will also help expand our successful agri-marketing program to help farmers to further enhance marketing capacity at home and abroad.

To help our new generation of farmers take our industry into the future, the budget also increases the lifetime capital gains exemption from $800,000 to $1 million. On average, a farmer will save some $27,000 when selling a property valued at that $1 million-plus mark. This measure will ease the tax burden as our aging producers considering retirement pass the farm to the next generation.

A strong farm gate is fundamental to helping producers capture the incredible opportunities that are opening up here and abroad. That's why our government continues to push hard on the trade file, to get our foot in those doors before our competitors do. Our collaborative efforts are promoting decisions that are science-based, helping Canadian producers to export more product and grow the economy overall. Last year Canada's agriculture and food exports hit a new record of $56.4 billion.

We continue to deliver on our government's aggressive trade agreement strategy. Since 2006 this government has successfully concluded negotiations on free trade agreements with 38 countries, while having ongoing negotiations with another 32. To date Canada has concluded trade agreements with countries representing close to half of the world's agriculture and agrifood marketplace. Our historic trade agreements with Korea and the European Union will open the doors to vitally important markets on two different continents. On January 1 the Canada-Korea trade agreement came into place. This agreement will level the playing field for exporters in this key market by eliminating tariffs on our canola, beef, pork, and grains.

Upon implementation of the agreement with the EU, Canada will be one of the only developed countries in the world to have preferential access to the world's two largest economies—the EU, and of course the United States. Industry has estimated that this agreement will increase Canadian agriculture and agrifood exports to the EU by some $1.5 billion a year.

We are also working hard to create a new trade opportunity through our ongoing participation in negotiations for the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Of course, when it comes to enhancing our trade routes, we must practise what we preach here at home as well, and I certainly applaud the work this committee is doing on interprovincial trade barriers and ask that the report, the recommendations you table, be strong.

Transport is a key pillar of our government's strategy to build a modern grain industry that's equipped to compete in the global marketplace. We continue to build a modern grain industry with ongoing reform of the Canadian Grain Commission.

We introduced Bill C-48, the modernization of Canada's grain industry act, building on changes we passed in 2012 to streamline and modernize the operations of the CGC and reduce the regulatory burden for grain producers. Bill C-48 will enhance producer protection, grain quality, and safety assurance, while further streamlining the operations overall of the CGC. While parliamentary games from the NDP are stopping this bill from reaching committee, the government remains committed to advancing this important legislation.

As well as trade and transportation, farmers need research and innovation to compete in the global marketplace. ln today's environment, collaboration is key.That's why we're building on our very successful research cluster model. We almost doubled our investments in these clusters under GF2 as well as adding four new ones. Those investments of $127 million have leveraged $60 million in industry investments. GF2 is also driving innovation through industry-led R and D, agri-science projects, and funds to help get great ideas off the drawing board and into the marketplace. There are also the cost-shared innovation projects with the provinces and territories, and of course our world-class scientists who continue to deliver new ideas and tools to advance the sector.

A key catalyst for innovation is the Agricultural Growth Act, which received royal assent about two months ago. Bill C-18 will drive innovation by strengthening intellectual property rights for plant breeders so Canadian producers can and will have the best possible varieties available. At the same time, farmers retain the right to save, clean, and store seed for their own operation. Bill C-18 will level the playing field for our producers and will encourage foreign breeders to release their varieties into Canada much sooner. We've already seen the results with Bayer CropScience announcing a $10 million investment in Canadian cereal crop breeding. Bill C-18 aIso brings innovation to our delivery of the advance payments program, giving farmers a more flexible tool to manage their cashflows while cutting red tape and improving efficiencies.

As well, to speed up the innovation pipeline, we are modernizing the variety registration system to help seed companies get farmers the tools they need to compete faster and more efficiently.

I'm confident these reforms will take down barriers to innovation while continuing to support our high-quality Canadian brand in the world markets.

Mr. Chair, all of this is great news for Canada's agriculture and food sector and for Canada's economy. The future is bright for this dynamic industry. The department's economic outlook points to a strong future for the agricultural sector with Canadian farmers' incomes and balance sheets at record levels. Agriculture has become more global in focus, more outward-looking, and much more confident. The credit for that goes to a new generation of farmers, processors, and other business people who have stepped up to the challenges of feeding a hungry world.

Our job as government, Mr. Chair, and mine as minister, has been to clear the road for that to happen. We've come a long way, but there's always work to be done. We're now starting to look at what the next-generation agricultural framework will look like. Powered by an aggressive trade and innovation agenda, we will continue to drive transformational change throughout this core economic sector to reap a bumper harvest for Canada's economy.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. I look forward to any questions or comments the panel may have.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bev Shipley

Thank you very much, Minister.

As always, you were pretty precise and straightforward. All of us appreciate that.

I want to introduce to everyone on the committee the witnesses who are here to support.

We have Andrea Lyon, Deputy Minister. Welcome to the panel.

We have Mr. Greg Meredith, assistant deputy minister, strategic policy branch, and Pierre Corriveau, assistant deputy minister, corporate management branch. We also have, from CFIA, Paul Mayers, vice-president, policy and programs.

Welcome to each of you.

Now we'll start the rounds of five minutes.

We'll start with Mr. Allen from the NDP for five minutes, please.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

It's always nice to see you, Minister, and of course the rest of your department who are here with you today.

Minister, you mentioned the CWB in your remarks. Perhaps we could explore some of that.

The understanding, at least...and it's hard to understand it, because we're on the outside and we don't necessarily have enough information, it seems. Did we sell the CWB or did we just transfer the assets to G3?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Neither: they've taken on a partnership called G3. The assets of the CWB are still there, working for farmers under the new entity. It's a partnership. G3 is a Canadian-registered company made up of Bunge and SALIC, which owns 50.1%, and 49.9% will be owned by the farmers trust under the CWB.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

When you say “neither”, does that mean the government still has the controlling interest in the CWB at present?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

No—

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

You do now.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

No, not at all. It's now a private sector entity and taxpayers no longer backstop or guarantee the workings of the CWB as they did during the single-desk era.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

Would you not agree, then, that you've actually done something like maybe moving it to someone else away from your control?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Absolutely. They now will answer to farmers much more directly than they ever would as an arm's-length to the government....

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

Can you tell us what role the directors who were appointed by you would have played in the decision about choosing G3, or who played a role in the decision?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

The directors of the CWB themselves were in charge of the endgame. They hired the audit firm Deloitte, as well as a legal team, to ascertain which was the right partner moving forward.

They had some 52 different entities put forward ideas, including the Farmers of North America. The unfortunate part with the FNA proposal was that it didn't come with any dollars or any kind of plan attached. What they were shopping for in the outline they put forward was someone who had the ability to capitalize and the logistics capacity and the ability to expand the footprint of the CWB across Canada, not just in western Canada anymore, as well as the ability to build port capacity on both the east and the west coasts.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

If memory serves me correctly, did we not, as Canadian taxpayers, put up $300 million as a backstop at some point when the CWB was changed with the legislation? Is that correct?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Yes. In order to keep the CWB viable, they needed a foundation of taxpayers' money to pay down the pension demands that were there and to pay off the bills that were against the building and the rail cars, and there was a small down payment made on two boats that had to be paid out. A number of things were needed in order to keep CWB whole so they could move forward—

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

I understand it, Mr. Minister, but the chair is going to cut me off, so obviously the last question on this particular aspect would be, did the Canadian taxpayer get any money back from this transaction?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Well, they will with the economic driver that the CWB will become.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

No, I'm not asking—

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Indirectly—

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

No, I'm not looking down the road.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Indirectly, there are different ways—

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

Did they actually get any money from G3?

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

There are different ways to collect tax and so on, Mr. Allen. Certainly, over time, they will see that money returned in the economic driver that Canada will become.

3:35 p.m.

NDP

Malcolm Allen NDP Welland, ON

Well, that's like me buying a house from Mr. Dreeshen and then saying I'm going to pay his property taxes. If I buy a property, I actually pay for it. If I say, “Well, you'll get your money back at some point in time because I'll continue to pay the property taxes....”

What I'm asking is, did G3 write a cheque to the Canadian government and say, “Here's some of your money back”? It was $300 million.

3:35 p.m.

Conservative

Gerry Ritz Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Well, that was never a part of it, Mr. Allen. I guess it would be like the money your party owes the Canadian taxpayer for these offices you put together and so on. When will we see that back? Over time? Probably.