There's an incredible wealth of knowledge there to help. Is there something we can do here in terms of government programming? I think there are many people who walk through that, but they may not know more than how to come alongside. We heard that from witnesses, not unlike what you talked about this morning, who have experienced it.
The academic side of it is the professional side. The academic side isn't necessarily what the farmer needs to come alongside. Sometimes that person will need some help. Is there something you can suggest in terms of how we might train the trainers, the trainer being a person who's gone through it before? I'm wondering if you have any suggestions, because that really is what it's coming down to.