It is. You see the pattern. We're quite involved internationally as well. We have an international trade association. Both Roger and I are involved very much in that. We see the same patterns, where you get a certain amount of science and then...now the term is social science. You get a lot of tinkering around the edges where certain other pressures are brought to bear that really aren't supported by science.
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