In my estimation—and I referred to this point in my presentation—without civilian oversight, I don't see that there's going to be change in the agency. There have to be consequences when things go so wrong, and they have gone wrong for years. There is very much an acrimonious relationship that has built over many years. The adoption of the Safe Food for Canadians Act resolves some of it, but it doesn't resolve the cultural piece, and that's the piece, in my view, that has to change. That culture has to change within government.
On February 25th, 2021. See this statement in context.