I would add that through the Canadian Roundtable for Sustainable Beef certified sustainable program—it's outcome-based, so farmers can choose how they would like to deliver on the outcomes that we're looking for—the use of environmental farm plans has been very helpful for some producers in proving what they've been able to do.
It's certainly been a helpful tool, but I would echo that it's one tool in the tool box. We need to make sure that we have a number.