Scientists have been there. The study I'm quoting is just about implementing 4R in western Canada, not even including Ontario or the rest of Canada. We could get anywhere between 50%.... Fertilizer Canada has reconfirmed that just a few months ago. They said that's a conservative figure because 4R research has come up with anywhere between 50% to 75%, which would bring us to 22.5% at the top, or 50%.
I'm just trying to lay some facts on the ground. I know there's been a lot of misinformation with regard to what's been happening in Holland, which is not what we're trying to do. Neither the minister, nor I have ever said we would implement that 30% emissions reduction through regulations. We said we would do that through incentives.
You've said that we would do that through regulations. I'm just curious to find out where you have been hearing that. That's the first time I've heard that.