I will say a few things there.
One, I have a great deal of respect for Dr. Ireland. We meet with her fairly regularly.
My understanding is that she is not responsible for writing the regulations from 2019 and that there were 20 years of debate prior to that. This happened in 2017. I can only speak to what is in the ATIP.
Of course, they don't provide detailed information about who said what, because it's all redacted. However, it is clear from the ATIP, as reported in The Globe and Mail in March 2017, that the industry had a significant role in the shift in the way the CFIA was proposing animal welfare regulations, as opposed to industry-driven regulations.
I'm happy to share what I have of that, but I also know where the original ATIP is. I can ask whether that can be presented to you as well.