Evidence of meeting #23 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was fcc.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Heath MacDonald  Minister of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Hanson  Deputy Minister, Department of Agriculture and Agri-Food
Hendricks  President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada
Baccus  Executive Vice-President, Agri-Food, Alliances and FCC Capital, Farm Credit Canada
Mitchell-Beaudin  Executive Vice-President, Finance, Farm Credit Canada

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you.

There’s a lot of talk about better supporting our agricultural producers, who are dealing with climate change. Indeed, as we just mentioned, there are income stabilization programs, among others. There’s a lot of talk about concentration in the processing sectors or even among retailers.

What role can you play to create more competition in the different sectors where there isn’t as much?

12:40 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

I’d like to ask for clarification. Are you talking about creating competition within the sector itself?

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Obviously, more competitors are needed so that consumers can have better prices. We know how much of an impact that has, particularly in grocery chains. How can we increase competition among businesses?

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Give a quick answer, please.

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

If we invest in innovation, we can support the commercialization of new ideas, and that will create new companies that will generate competition.

Sébastien Lemire Bloc Abitibi—Témiscamingue, QC

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you.

Next we'll go to Mr. Epp for five minutes.

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thanks for appearing.

Many of us around the table come here with previously lived experience. I've had the honour and privilege of serving as chair of a governance and HR committee and the finance and audit committee of a public sector ag agency. As you know, in public governance, perceived conflicts of interest are just as damaging as real ones, particularly when they involve oversight regarding executive conduct.

My colleague asked about some of your travel. What was not mentioned is that it was $460,000 of your travel...in your tenure—the same as all three ag ministers in that same period of time.

Where I want to begin is with investigations involving leadership, allegations of silencing internal dissent and decisions impacting the credibility of the board.

With respect to FCC board governance, what mechanisms exist to ensure independent oversight of the CEO?

12:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

I'd like to call upon Corinna to speak about our governance framework at FCC to answer that question.

Corinna Mitchell-Beaudin Executive Vice-President, Finance, Farm Credit Canada

Good afternoon, everyone.

First, I'd like to apologize for not being there in person. I sustained an injury and am not able to travel, but I am dialling in from Regina. FCC is headquartered there.

In terms of governance at FCC, we have a governance model that includes a human resources committee, which oversees the annual goals and performance of the CEO. We have a governance committee that ensures that the performance of the different committees, which further includes the audit and risk committees, is living up to industry standards. The board reviews the practices of management and the charters of the various committees to ensure that those are living up to industry standards for an organization of our size.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

I do have limited time. How often does the board meet in camera without the CEO present?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

At every board meeting, there is time in camera without the CEO.

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Did this occur, then, very recently as well?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

That's correct.

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Your colleague talked about the governance and HR committees. For how long did you serve both as CEO and as chief human resources officer?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

I served for an almost two-year period.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

How was governance approval acquired for that dual role?

12:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

As it relates to the board—as my colleague Corinna indicated—all board committees have independent charters that are followed through on an annual basis, with specific work plans to work through. Items related to HR in the organization would be presented to that committee. The items that require a vote are recommended by that committee to be presented to the entire board and voted upon.

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Would that not have flowed through your office, as the CHRO, before it was presented to the board?

12:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

That is correct. As the CHRO, I would be a member of the executive team that had accountability to the board committee around human resources. I would work with the chair of that committee in order to determine what the correct agenda items were.

To be clear, there is a work plan that is approved by the board each year regarding key items to bring up, and this is closely monitored.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

How is the obvious conflict of interest mitigated when you were acting in both those roles with respect to internal concerns about the activities of the CEO?

12:45 p.m.

President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

Justine Hendricks

We have processes available if staff have a concern, whether...directly to an executive or to the CEO. There is an independent process that takes place that is accessible, as well, to the public service. Should a complaint be triggered, at that point, our internal ethics and compliance officer would step in and independently look into any inquiries in that regard.

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Would that internal officer not report to you?

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President and Chief Executive Officer, Farm Credit Canada

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Conservative

Dave Epp Conservative Chatham-Kent—Leamington, ON

Would there be a venue so employees could go through that office and directly to the board?