Evidence of meeting #30 for Agriculture and Agri-Food in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was producers.

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On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

Harpe  Chair, Canadian Canola Growers Association
Pike  Vice-President, Government and Industry Relations, Canadian Canola Growers Association
Miller  Executive Director, Canadian Seed Growers' Association
Bjornson  Consultant, Western Grain Elevator Association
Audet  Chair, Conseil québécois des plantes fourragères
Burrows  Executive Director, Grain Growers of Canada
MacLeod  Executive Director, Canadian Forage and Grassland Association
Sauser  Policy Manager, Grain Growers of Canada

11 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I'd like to call the meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 30 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Agriculture and Agri-Food.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members are attending in person in the room and remotely using the Zoom application.

As usual, I'd like to ask all in-person participants to consult the guidelines written on the cards on the table. These measures are in place to help prevent audio feedback incidents, and to protect the health and safety of all participants, including our interpreters. You will also notice a QR code, which you can link to for a short awareness video.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Thursday, September 18, 2025, the committee is resuming its study of business risk management programs in Canada's agriculture sector.

I'd like to welcome our witnesses today.

From the Canadian Canola Growers Association, we have Andre Harpe, chair, and Dustin Pike, vice-president, government and industry relations. From the Canadian Seed Growers' Association, we have Douglas Miller. From the Western Grain Elevator Association, we have Darren Amerongen, chair, and Tyler Bjornson, consultant.

As organizations, you each have up to five minutes for opening remarks, and then we will proceed with a round of questions from the respective parties.

I'd like to first welcome the Canadian Canola Growers Association.

You have five minutes.

Andre Harpe Chair, Canadian Canola Growers Association

Thank you very much for having us today. It's a pleasure to appear before this committee.

My name is Andre Harpe. I am the chair of the Canadian Canola Growers Association. I'm joined by my colleague Dustin Pike, who is the vice-president of government and industry relations. I am speaking to you today from Valhalla Centre—northwest of Grande Prairie, Alberta—where I operate a 5,000-acre grain farm, growing primarily canola and malt barley.

The Canadian Canola Growers Association represents 40,000 canola farmers across Canada. We advocate on issues, policies and programs that directly impact the success of their farms.

In 2024, canola was, once again, the number one source of crop revenue in Canada, generating $13 billion and accounting for 25% of total crop receipts. More broadly, the canola sector contributes over $43 billion annually to the Canadian economy and supports over 200,000 jobs across the value chain.

This committee has an important task ahead in reviewing Canada's BRM programs for the upcoming policy framework. This work is both necessary and timely, as farmers are increasingly facing risks that extend well beyond traditional weather and price volatility. Since 2020, the global operating environment has fundamentally changed, leaving farmers to navigate one of the most uncertain and volatile periods in recent history. For today's grain farmer, this means confronting multiple interconnected shocks at the same time. Weather events, market closures, price volatility, high input costs and geopolitics interact in ways that magnify risk and reduce farmers' control. BRM programs must evolve in both responsiveness and design to reflect this new reality.

The situation in the Middle East is the latest example of how quickly and significantly my farm is impacted by things far beyond my control. Since January, the cost of the fertilizer I need for spring planting has increased by about 50%, which represents, for me, an additional $100,000. The cost of fuel has also increased significantly, as we've all witnessed. Together, fuel and fertilizer costs represent approximately 50% of my input costs. The volatility and risks are real and very significant.

I'll now turn it over to my colleague, Dustin, who will talk about our priorities at CCGA.

Dustin Pike Vice-President, Government and Industry Relations, Canadian Canola Growers Association

Thanks, Andre.

To be effective, BRM programs must target risks that genuinely threaten farm viability. They should be affordable, avoid compliance requirements that create unnecessary barriers, remain responsive to current and emerging challenges, and provide farmers with meaningful choice and flexibility.

As the next policy framework takes shape, it is critical that the investments in BRM programs not be diminished to fund other priorities. Without effective risk management tools, farmers' capacity to invest in their operations and to adopt the technologies and practices that drive productivity and resilience will be significantly constrained.

Canola farmers consistently identify AgriInsurance as the cornerstone of Canada's BRM suite. AgriInsurance delivers essential production coverage and is predictable, widely subscribed to and delivered provincially, allowing for regional flexibility. Maintaining AgriInsurance as the flagship program also reduces pressure for large ad hoc programs by providing timely and reliable support when production losses occur.

AgriStability needs to be modernized to better serve farmers. With participation rates sitting at only about 30%, it's clear that many farmers have lost confidence in its effectiveness. The program is currently not timely, predictable or responsive enough to address the realities that producers face from trade disruptions, and it fails to accurately reflect farmers' margins when calculating support.

When it comes to strategic initiatives, we recommend that all decisions be focused on growth—that is, expanding the agricultural sector's economic output and market opportunities, and creating value through productivity gains. That's the growth part. Resilience, the second point, is about prioritizing the sector's ability to adapt to new threats. On innovation, it is about advancing new technologies in ways that are industry-led and outcome-based. On efficiency, the fourth and final component, it is about streamlining programs, reducing red tape and delivering stronger outcomes.

We're operating in a very different landscape from the last time this suite was reviewed. The decisions made in developing the next policy framework will play a defining role in shaping the future of Canadian agriculture amid increasing volatility and uncertainty. Getting this right is essential to ensuring that Canadian farmers remain competitive and resilient over the long term.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

We'll go to Mr. Miller for five minutes.

Douglas Miller Executive Director, Canadian Seed Growers' Association

Thank you, Mr. Chair and committee, for the invitation to appear today.

My name is Doug Miller. I'm the executive director of the Canadian Seed Growers' Association. CSGA is Canada's national seed crop certification authority. We have partnered with the Government of Canada for over 100 years to be able to deliver Canada's seed certification program.

You may be wondering what seed certification has to do with business risk management. Well, consider this: Nine out of 10 bites of food start with seed. Seed is how plant breeding innovation gets to a farmer's field. Every variety that handles drought better, fights disease or yields more under tough conditions reaches farmers through our seed certification system. When a farmer plants certified seed of a current proven variety, they are reducing their risk of production loss before a single dollar of BRM spending is needed. That makes seed certification a strategic risk management tool, not just another input.

The reality is that too many Canadian farmers are planting varieties that are 10, 15 and sometimes even 20 years old. That is hurting their productivity and leaving them exposed to risks that their crops are simply not built to handle. When things go sideways, and they do, BRM programs are left picking up the tab.

Earlier this year, Nicholas Tyack, a researcher at the University of Saskatchewan, uncovered what slow variety adoption is costing Canadian farmers. He had his estimate at hundreds of millions of dollars in lost revenue each year, approaching potentially $1 billion in 2024 alone. The numbers he exposed are striking. For context, the most widely grown durum variety of wheat in Saskatchewan last year was CDC Transcend, which was released in 2012 and planted on approximately one million acres. For perspective, that's equivalent to almost 70% of the whole of Prince Edward Island. The top red lentil variety was CDC Maxim, released in 2007. Staying on these older varieties is costing producers more than $10 per acre in lost yield revenue.

In the forage sector, it's even worse. Many of the varieties being grown today were developed in the 1950s and 1960s. This is not a niche problem; it's a national one. BRM programs are quietly absorbing that cost year after year.

The data I've just outlined here comes from the Saskatchewan crop insurance program. The BRM system already is sitting on evidence of potential underlying problems, but what it does not have yet is a policy response. Plant breeding is one of the most direct tools we have to reduce the risks that drive farmers to BRM programs in the first place. Dr. Richard Gray of the University of Saskatchewan has shown that crop breeding investment returns roughly 30 times more value than BRM spending. That number, along with his research, deserves this committee's attention. I would encourage you to reach out to Dr. Gray about his findings.

Canada, unfortunately, is moving in the wrong direction. The recent closure of AAFC research stations is eroding our ability to develop new varieties and reducing farmers' access to better genetics. That means more production risk and more pressure on BRM programs in the future. The decision to close these stations will be felt not tomorrow but by the next generation of Canadian farmers and future BRM programs. The varieties that we need in 2035 are being developed today. These closures are disrupting our innovation pipeline.

This also matters for trade. Canada is working hard to diversify our export markets, which is fantastic. To compete globally, our crops need to perform. Farmers growing varieties from the early 2000s or the 1950s are not on the same footing as producers in countries that have built real incentives for adopting new genetics. This is not a farm issue. This is a competitiveness issue.

Our recommendations are straightforward. First, protect public plant breeding investment moving forward. Treat it as an essential infrastructure for agricultural resilience, not a budget line item to cut. The 30:1 return on investment in this space is very well documented. I know it was discussed at this committee recently. Second, use BRM programs to encourage farmers to invest in newer genetics. If older varieties are a measurable driver of production risk, the BRM framework should respond to that. Even getting producers to update their genetics from every 10 years to every five years would be significant. Third, ensure the timely completion of the CFIA's seed regulatory modernization process, which has been under way for almost six years now.

BRM programs are essential for when things go sideways. However, there's a lot we can do before it gets to that point, such as adopting new varieties that can lessen the burden on these programs moving forward.

Thank you.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you very much.

Next, we'll go to the Western Grain Elevator Association for five minutes.

Tyler Bjornson Consultant, Western Grain Elevator Association

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I'll start by saying that I'm a poor substitute for Mr. Amerongen, the chair of the WGEA, who's been unexpectedly detained, but I'll do my best.

As many of you know, the WGEA is a national association of grain companies that handle over 90% of our country's bulk grain shipments. Collectively, they export in excess of $25 billion of grain annually.

Canada's largest trading partners, unfortunately, are exploiting Canadian grain exporter vulnerability as levers toward political objectives due to factors outside the grain sector's control. In response, exporters are being told to diversify markets. What that really means is selling more volume into lower-value and higher-risk markets, which is not sustainable given Canada's high-cost, over-regulated and chronically disrupted grain handling system.

Furthermore, grain exporters already sell to over 80 countries, making our sector one of the most trade-diversified sectors in the Canadian economy.

There are three broad areas where Canada's federal government can provide assistance to grain exporters in managing their business risk.

First, improve business risk management tools for exporters. Second, ensure that supply chains run smoothly. Third, remove unnecessary red tape and reduce government costs.

With respect to the key theme of this meeting, on improving business risk management, this committee has heard extensively from the agricultural sector on how its exporters have borne the brunt of fluctuating political relations with our major bilateral trading partners, notably China. Exporters have no ability, currently, to manage these risks, and that has resulted in massive financial losses. Unlike other sectors, including the automotive, steel and aluminum businesses, Ottawa has left grain exporters to take those losses without any further consideration. This is grossly unfair. This is a business risk that has been wholly generated by government. Government should therefore be looking to help grain exporters mitigate those risks.

In 2025 alone, Canadian grain exporters experienced direct contractual losses of approximately $60 million Canadian. Costs from broader grain market adjustments were in the range of $144 million to $384 million, all due to geopolitical trade tensions.

Grain companies need predictable, consistent and easily accessible business risk management solutions when a foreign government announces or implements an agricultural trade barrier. In our view, tax-based solutions are the most elegant, as they allow exporters to know immediately if their situation would be covered or not. For example, we think a foreign political trade barrier tax credit for agricultural exporters could be created. It could be a refundable tax credit to offset verifiable costs incurred to respond to or mitigate the political trade barrier in question. Examples of these costs include demurrage fees, carrying costs and the price differential for distressed sales.

Additionally, subsidization of contract default insurance could also help exporters deal with diversifying to riskier geographies with riskier customers. EDC does not provide political risk insurance. It does not provide insurance on possible erosion of contract prices on commodities due to political trade barriers, nor does it intend to make program adjustments to cover the risks we've identified. As a result, subsidization of private sector insurance for contract defaults may be the only reasonable avenue to reduce contract default risk. These solutions would mitigate exporter company risk and help keep agricultural products moving leading up to and during geopolitical disruptions. This could in turn help to hold prices steady at the farm gate, as well as reducing demurrage, carrying costs and other penalties that could be attributed to the political trade barrier in play.

On the second theme, of removing unnecessary red tape, perhaps this is the simplest way of enhancing competitiveness to drive trade diversification and better export risk management, simply by making government rules less costly to business. The WGEA submitted a brief to this committee during your discussion of that topic. We will not duplicate our comments there. We think all of those recommendations remain relevant today.

With respect to the third theme, which is ensuring that supply chains run smoothly, Canada's ability to compete in global markets hinges on its ability to move grain from the vast interior of our country to tidewater ports. Understandably, many things can stand in the way of doing that successfully.

With respect to labour, the recurring and chronic threat of railway and port work stoppages jeopardizes our ability to get product to market and adds risk to the transaction. A recent study done by the Anderson Economic Group quantifies the economic impacts of transportation labour disruptions on the Canadian grain sector. A one-week work stoppage on either railway costs approximately $250 million per week, which doubles if both go on strike at the same time, as we saw in 2024.

With respect to infrastructure, the major trade-enabling infrastructure—

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

We're at five minutes, so I'll just let you wrap up really quickly.

11:15 a.m.

Consultant, Western Grain Elevator Association

Tyler Bjornson

Thank you.

The major trade-enabling infrastructure projects announced so far do not reflect anything beneficial to the grain sector.

In conclusion, most of the geopolitical trade risks and disruptions experienced by the grain sector are connected to federal government political decisions regarding bilateral relationships. The federal government has all the levers at its disposal to help bring exporters—

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

I'll stop you there.

Thank you so much.

We'll go to the Conservatives for six minutes.

Mr. Barlow.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Thank you very much, Chair, and thank you very much to our witnesses for being here.

Mr. Miller, I want to start with you.

You made some comments regarding new seed certification. We had Lori Oatway from Western Crop Innovations appear before this committee. We were talking about the research centre closure specifically, and she made some comments that as a result of these closures, without AAFC being a partner on the research, it could significantly hamper the certification of new varieties, because CFIA asks that AAFC be a partner in that research. With these closures, you are now losing one of the most critical publicly funded partners.

Can you comment on what the ramifications of that could be? You are already talking about how difficult it is to get new seeds certified.

11:15 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Seed Growers' Association

Douglas Miller

Absolutely. Thank you for the question.

When we look at the AAFC research closures, the seed sector is disproportionately impacted by those cuts. It is about releasing varieties, but it's also about the maintenance of those varieties. About 20% to 25% of the seed that we certify in this country—Canada has one of the world's largest seed certification systems globally—has flown through the Indian Head research farm at one point in its production cycle.

We've heard from Ag Canada a desire to maybe move that site to Saskatoon. That's going to create some gaps there that are really going to have an impact on our ability to have higher-generation breeder seed available, which is really the foundation of our system.

I watched Ms. Oatway's testimony, and yes, definitely, the points she made about impacts on our breeding, testing and all that are true. It's really that we're losing a network. The network effect is very real here. It's not just Ag Canada that is being impacted here, but it's all the smaller research stations that rely on these sites to be able to test their varieties.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

You talked about some varieties being used that are from the 1960s or from 50 years and 20 years ago. We need to find a way for producers to embrace new varieties, but if new varieties aren't coming online as a result of these closures, how much further behind is that going to put Canadian farmers in terms of economic viability and competitiveness?

11:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Seed Growers' Association

Douglas Miller

They'll be very, very far behind. I will also say that some of the adoption of these newer varieties is very crop kind-dependent. We look at the canola sector and we see rapid adoption of new varieties, but in other sectors, like in malt barley, where the brewsters and the maltsters are really asking for specific older varieties, it hurts the forward pull of these newer varieties here. Absolutely, there will be some severe impacts.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Mr. Miller, we now have the information from the deputy minister. We asked what due diligence was done by AAFC in the closure of these research stations. Now we're understanding that the numbers are quite frustrating when you see it's going to save $27 million next year, up to $230 million over the next decade.

To put that in perspective, the Liberal government has put another $300 million into the OFCAF, so $700 million total. That would pay for these research centres to remain open and have an actual impact on farmers on the ground.

If you were to ask your members, in their opinion, which program they would prefer the government to be funding, what do you think their response would be?

11:20 a.m.

Executive Director, Canadian Seed Growers' Association

Douglas Miller

Our members have said very loud and clear that they support public plant breeding and would like to see money invested in that space.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

Thank you.

I would like to ask Mr. Harpe and Mr. Pike the same question.

Seeing now the numbers that are going to be saved by the closure of these research centres, but also understanding the consequences of these closures, we're trying to give the government an off-ramp here, to find savings elsewhere in programs that aren't having the same impact as these research centres and experimental farms.

From the canola perspective, would you prefer to see the funds invested in research and innovation or in the OFCAF?

11:20 a.m.

Chair, Canadian Canola Growers Association

Andre Harpe

I'll answer that, Mr. Barlow.

At the end of the day, it gets back to the fact that research is key, whether.... We have a lot of private research that goes into canola seed, but we have a lot of other issues that need research. I'll go with research is key.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

John Barlow Conservative Foothills, AB

I find it interesting that both of those groups gave that answer, as I'm sure all of us did prior to the election last year.

We asked agriculture groups what their number one priority would be. The number one priority, almost unanimously, was ensuring that AAFC's number one focus was research and innovation. I find it very frustrating, let's say, that the first act by this government was to close research and innovation centres and experimental farms, laying off hundreds of staff and, certainly, dozens of scientists and researchers.

I have a quick question for Mr. Bjornson. You didn't touch on it, but maybe you could talk about some of the red tape in terms of the double inspection of grain and the longer grain elevator licence process, and the impact they're having.

11:20 a.m.

Consultant, Western Grain Elevator Association

Tyler Bjornson

Certainly, the duplication of the inspection of grain that's bound for offshore markets is a major frustration for us. We think it's costing the entire sector over $40 million. Grain in containers that are destined for the U.S. and Mexico by rail is not mandatorily inspected by the Canadian Grain Commission. We think this is an antiquated regulation that's in place.

The Chair Liberal Michael Coteau

Thank you very much.

Next, we'll go to the Liberals for six minutes.

Go ahead, Mr. Connors.

Paul Connors Liberal Avalon, NL

Thank you to all the witnesses for coming today. Thank you for your work in feeding Canadians and the world.

My first question is for Mr. Pike.

You mentioned in your opening remarks that the AgriStability program needs to be modernized. Can you elaborate a bit on how your industry sees it? What needs to be done in order to modernize it?

11:20 a.m.

Vice-President, Government and Industry Relations, Canadian Canola Growers Association

Dustin Pike

It's very important. As I mentioned in my preamble, AgriInsurance is basically the cornerstone program within the BRM suite. It's predictable, timely and bankable. It has a high enrolment of 70%. AgriStability has been lagging behind. With an enrolment of only about 30%, farmers have lost a lot of confidence in that regard.

There's a lot of room for improvement. We think it can take on a different direction and a different priority, but one that meets the challenges of today, which come from global uncertainty. Unfortunately, we're the poster organization for trade disruption. You've seen the China tariffs. We think there's an opportunity to revamp AgriStability to respond to these big, global shifts and big trade uncertainties that we see affecting commodity organizations to a large extent.

That's what we think the direction should be, from a cost recovery point of view and from the trade uncertainty aspect.

Paul Connors Liberal Avalon, NL

I know you are here representing the Canadian Canola Growers Association. Do you think it's like this in other sectors as well, like the vegetable industry and other commodities within the agricultural industry?

11:25 a.m.

Vice-President, Government and Industry Relations, Canadian Canola Growers Association

Dustin Pike

If I were starting the conversation from this side.... There's another organization coming here in the second hour that will reflect that sentiment. I'd like to see more of that conversation with the other commodity groups to see if this is an avenue to bolster participation rates within the AgriStability program. I would like to see that expanded, for sure.