Thank you, Mr. Chair.
Thank you to the witnesses.
I found your testimony extremely good and extremely frustrating. This is not new. We've talked about this. We've had this. Where do we go? I really appreciate bringing solutions to the table, but I want to get at the underlying, fundamental issue somehow to try to move the needle forward on speed. Nobody's talking about denigrating the safety or things like that.
This is not a partisan issue. Around this table, we agree. We saw that in the minister's letter. I think you touched on it, Mr. McCann, on the word “culture.” That's what we somehow have to get at.
What I'm reminded of—I believe I've shared this on the record here before—is advice that was given to me by a former provincial deputy minister, who said, “Dave, a hog will never slaughter itself.” I don't mean to denigrate our agencies by using this term. I love pork. I'm in favour of the pork industry. It is very difficult to initiate change upon oneself. What is it going to take to get at the culture, to actually motivate cultural change? We have mandate letters. We have the ideas that have come forward to committee.
I'm going to go to each one of you. Specifically on culture, in an organization, how do you motivate that change?
I'll start with Mr. Anderson, and we'll go on from there.