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Evidence of meeting #1 for Subcommittee on the Review of the Anti-terrorism Act in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was de.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Motion 7 should be amended to read “de son personnel ou de son parti”.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

Rick Norlock Conservative Northumberland—Quinte West, ON

Is the party person a member of Parliament?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

No.

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Conservative

Dave MacKenzie Conservative Oxford, ON

Isn't it one and the same?

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Not every Member can be a member of the subcommittee.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Right, but the motion is that one staff or a party person....

Do we have a seconder for that?

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I'm fine with this.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Seconding that is Mr. Norlock.

So it's that unless otherwise ordered, each committee member be allowed to be accompanied by one staff or party person at an in camera meeting.

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

What does that mean, “party person”?

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

If we say “de son personnel ou de son parti”, that could mean another MP.

Roy Cullen Liberal Etobicoke North, ON

Well, any member of Parliament can attend any meeting. It's ex officio.

9:15 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Right. We're talking about staff.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

I would imagine there's a hierarchy of some kind among staff members in all parties and that occasionally, when the committee is examining an important question, a member may ask someone who ranks higher up that a staff member to attend the meeting in his place.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Oh, so you're asking, Mr. Ménard, if a staff member could come instead of the member in secret meetings?

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

No.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

We're talking about the in camera meeting.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

Yes. The wording “qu'un membre de son personnel” refers to a staff member. I'd like the words “d'un membre de son personnel” to be followed by ”ou d'un membre du personnel de son parti”.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Right. Does anyone have a problem with that?

A voice

It's one or the other.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That's right, either one or the other.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

It's one staff member, according to the motion. All in favour of number 7?

(Motion agreed to)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

We'll move along to number 8. That's in camera meetings transcripts.

Mr. Cullen, seconded by Mr. Norlock, moves that one copy of the transcript of each in camera meeting be kept in the committee clerk's office for consultation by members of the committee.

(Motion agreed to)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

Number 9 is notice of motions. It is moved by Mr. Cullen, seconded by Mr. MacKenzie, that 48 hours' notice be required for any substantive motion to be considered by the committee, unless the substantive motion relates directly to business then under consideration, and that the notice of motion be filed with the clerk of the committee and distributed to members in both official languages.

(Motion agreed to)

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Gord Brown

All right. Mr. Ménard.

Serge Ménard Bloc Marc-Aurèle-Fortin, QC

That is, if it's in both official languages.