Evidence of meeting #20 for Bill C-2 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joe Wild  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice
James Stringham  Legal Counsel, Office of the Counsel to the Clerk of the Privy Council, Privy Council Office
Patrick Hill  Acting Assistant Secretary, Machinery of Government, Privy Council Office
Warren Newman  General Counsel, Constitutional and Administrative Law, Department of Justice
Susan Cartwright  Assistant Secretary, Accountability in Government, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

What in Sam Hill is going on here? I can't get a word in edgewise. Every time it's my turn, it's no longer my turn.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We're not going to forget about you, Mr. Martin.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Mr. Martin, I apologize for interrupting while you were speaking, but I believe the chair neglected to call the vote on my amendment, which I had moved.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

No, we haven't forgotten anything. Mr. Martin.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Then why are we skipping around?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Because they conflict.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

Jesus, we're debating your amendment, Ms. Jennings.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We're still on page 5.1. We're still there. It's going to take us a while to get on to this folks, so try to be patient and keep cool.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

So the amendment we have on the floor, which is properly on the floor, I see as a very standard non-derogation clause.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Page 5.1?

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

It's 5.1. It deletes lines 12 to 17 on page 6, which we could stop and look at if it is necessary. Then it adds a very clear non-derogation clause, that nothing in this is supposed to abrogate or derogate from any of the privileges, etc.

Now, there's been a motion that we adopt it, and I'm favour of this. I don't agree that my motion following, 5.4, in any way contradicts this.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay. Then we're going to continue on with 5.1. Is there any further discussion on 5.1?

All those in favour of 5.1? All those opposed?

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay, Mr. Martin, we're on to 5.4.

Mr. Martin, are you proceeding on 5.4?

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

No. I intend to withdraw 5.4 when we get there.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We're there now, sir.

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NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

What happened to 5.2?

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

It was identical to 5.1.

3:50 p.m.

NDP

Pat Martin NDP Winnipeg Centre, MB

I've got it.

I intend to withdraw 5.4.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay.

Madame Guay, on a point of order.

3:50 p.m.

Bloc

Monique Guay Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Chairman, when two amendments are similar, can you advise us of the fact? That way, we'll know where we stand.

You jump from 5.1 to 5.4 without telling us that 5.2 is moot. Let's proceed one page at a time, even though we know the same amendment is repeated three times. That way, we'll delete what should be deleted, and it'll be done. For the moment, it's not clear.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

That's what I thought we were doing. But thank you, and I'll do my best. The committee will have to bear with me.

We're on to page 6, which is government.

Mr. Poilievre.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

I move amendment G-4.

3:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

So moved.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Page 7, and G-5.

We're going too fast, apparently.

Okay, Mr. Poilievre, the question to you is whether you intend to move only the French, or would you intend to move the English?

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

The French and the English. There's G-5 here. It says “ministerial staff shall”. G-5 in French says “ministériel ou à tout personnel”.

(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])