Evidence of meeting #23 for Bill C-2 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Michèle Hurteau  Senior Counsel, Department of Justice
Joe Wild  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice
Steve Chaplin  Legal Counsel, Legal Services, House of Commons
Daphne Meredith  Assistant Secretary, Corporate Priorities and Planning, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Susan Baldwin  Procedural Clerk

Brian Murphy Liberal Moncton—Riverview—Dieppe, NB

The French version is in English; I don't think it's good French to use English.

8:40 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice

Joe Wild

It's because the amendment is only to the English version. There is no amendment to the French version.

(Amendment agreed to)

8:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We're going to move to the amendments on clause 78. That's on page 64.2, Liberal amendment L-6.1.

Ms. Jennings, would you speak to it?

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

May I have a moment to go back and read it? We've done so many other amendments that I have forgotten what was proposed.

8:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I might add, Ms. Jennings and Mr. Dewar, that this amendment is the same as NDP-4.2.

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

What you mean is that the NDP-4.2 is the same as the LIberal L-6.1.

8:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay. I aim to please here.

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Yes, okay. If my memory serves me correctly, this again comes back to the brief that Mr. Walsh had submitted to this committee.

The point he had made was that whereas proposed subsection 10.5(1) ends in talking about the commissioner preparing a report of the investigation, including the findings, conclusions, and the reasons for the commissioner's conclusions, and then submitting it to Parliament, in fact to follow the traditional process, etc., you can't just submit it to Parliament; you submit it to the Speaker of the Senate and the Speaker of the House, who then have a process tabling it, etc. So this is actually drafted in order to implement the correction that Mr. Walsh had suggested.

Perhaps Mr. Steve Chaplin might have something to add, or he might not.

8:40 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Are you asking if he can come to the table?

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

No, I just asked him if he had something to add.

8:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

It doesn't appear so.

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

He doesn't appear to, so I guess my explanation was clear, in his mind, at least.

So move to the question.

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

8:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We now move to a Liberal amendment, page 64.4, which is L-6.2, and that is the same as Mr. Dewar's, NDP-4.3.

Who's taking that? Ms. Jennings.

Marlene Jennings Liberal Notre-Dame-de-Grâce—Lachine, QC

Yes, I move L-.2. This is similar to the previous amendment, and for the same reasons, given the wisdom and legal opinion of Maître Walsh. He proposed that these amendments be made in order to ensure that the proper procedure, etc., is followed when reports are filed.

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We now move to a New Democratic motion, which is on page 65, NDP-5.

Mr. Dewar, would you make a motion, please?

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Yes, I move NDP-5.

8:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Any comments?

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Just quickly, Chair, this isn't controversial. This goes back to the idea of process. What we wanted to capture here is just to specify that any special reports are to be transmitted to the House through the Speaker. So it's just a procedural process, a convention, if you will, of the House, on how reports should be filed.

Thank you.

8:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Madame Guay.

Monique Guay Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Mr. Chairman, the next amendment from the government is very similar to that of the New Democratic Party. Could our legal advisors tell us what is the difference between those two, to enable us to make a choice? If we vote for the NDP amendment, the one from the government would automatically disappear, unless I am mistaken.

8:45 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Department of Justice

Michèle Hurteau

Are you talking about amendments NPD-5 and G-29?

Monique Guay Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Yes. They are very similar.

8:45 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Department of Justice

Michèle Hurteau

You are right.

The provision...

8:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Sounds like we agree, so we're going to vote on....

Monique Guay Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Are you going to provide an explanation?