Evidence of meeting #26 for Bill C-2 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Susan Baldwin  Procedural Clerk
Marc Chénier  Counsel, Democratic Renewal Secretariat, Privy Council Office
Joe Wild  Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice
Marc O'Sullivan  Acting Assistant Secretary to the Cabinet, As an Individual

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

I so move.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

There's a line conflict with G-51, Mr. Poilievre. That will work its way through.

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

Thank you.

Well, that will take its normal course, I am sure.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Indeed.

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

This amendment deletes, on page 162, lines 24 to 41, and lines 1 to 7 on page 163. It basically deletes those two sections and continues on clause 225 in their absence, continuing with what is now section 58.1.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Mr. Sauvageau.

8:50 p.m.

Bloc

Benoît Sauvageau Bloc Repentigny, QC

I'd very seriously like Mr. Owen to explain the real meaning of his amendment to us.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

The deep meaning....

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

I would have to leave, Mr. Chair, the deep analysis in Mr. Sauvageau's mind to himself.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Let's have some order here. Mr. Owen has asked a question.

8:50 p.m.

Liberal

Stephen Owen Liberal Vancouver Quadra, BC

I've answered.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

You answered yourself?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

On G-51, page 165.

Mr. Poilievre, there's a line conflict with L-24.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Withdrawn.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

In NDP-21.4, page 166.1, there is a line conflict with L-24 and G-51.

Yes, Mr. Dewar?

8:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

Thank you, Chair.

It suggests that clause 225 be amended by replacing lines 31 on page 162 to line 7 on page 163 with the following...as outlined.

8:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Are there any comments?

Yes, Mr. Dewar?

8:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

At this point I would like to get an opinion from the panel, not line by line of the amendment, but just in terms of what this would do to the bill in terms of enhancements.

8:55 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice

Joe Wild

Mr. Chairman, I will certainly acquiesce and not do a line-by-line review.

The provision mirrors NDP-21.2, which has been defeated. So there's not much more I can say other than it would, as this stage, create an incongruous operation, because the others have already failed, and they work together as a package.

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay.

8:55 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I'll withdraw.

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Sir, you're withdrawing that.

We're going to clause 194 to vote. That will apply to clauses 195, 197, 201, 211, 216 to 219, and 222 to 226.

(Clause 194 agreed to)

(Clause 195 agreed to)

(Clause 201 agreed to)

(Clause 211 agreed to)

(Clauses 216 to 219 inclusive agreed to)

(Clauses 222 to 226 inclusive agreed to)

(Clauses 196 and 197 agreed to)

(Clauses 198 to 200 inclusive agreed to)

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We'll go to clause 212 as amended.

We haven't debated it yet. This is about the deputy commissioner. It's government amendment G-48 on page 156.

Yes, Mr. Poilievre?

8:55 p.m.

Conservative

Pierre Poilievre Conservative Nepean—Carleton, ON

Thank you, Chair.

I'd like to move government amendment 48. Government amendment 48 applies to clause 212, which would be amended by replacing lines 4 and 5 with the following:

may assign:

(1.2) The assignment of powers, duties and functions by the Commissioner to the Deputy Commissioner may include the delegation to the Deputy Commissioner of any of the Commissioner's powers, duties and functions, including those referred to in paragraphs 25(1)(a) to (k) and the powers in sections 36 and 37, but it may not include the delegation of the Commissioner's power or any of his or her duties in section 38.

I invite commentary from our expert panel.

8:55 p.m.

Senior Counsel, Legal Services, Treasury Board Portfolio, Department of Justice

Joe Wild

Basically, just to boil it down, what the amendment is doing is clarifying that the commissioner can assign any power, duty, or function to the deputy commissioner, except for reporting to Parliament.