Evidence of meeting #15 for Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was greenhouse.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Sidney Ribaux  General Coordinator and Co-founder, Équiterre
Gord Steeves  First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities
Mary Jane Middelkoop  Senior Policy Analyst, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

6:35 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

We would never support anything that would destroy our economy. We might, however, be a little bit careful about overly embracing the idea that just because we're trying to address a lot of the issues with respect to sustainability, it might automatically translate into economic disaster.

I know people have different takes on this and people take different positions on the issue. I really believe—and I think our organization could really provide some research to the committee that would support the prospect—that indeed not only could sustainability in a lot of different sectors be achieved, and to a very large extent, but in many sectors of our economy you will see economic growth, not economic atrophy. That's one of the things that might be a bit of a misnomer in this debate.

We have seen cities like Calgary and Edmonton actually investing quite a lot of money in these areas. They're doing so in ways that really don't spell economic disaster at all. In fact, they're making the cities more attractive. Of course, obviously as we try to wade our way through all of this debate in a balanced way, we have to always be comparing the short-term fears against longer-term fears as well as finding that balance, which we think can be achieved.

6:35 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Thank you. We'll have to move on.

Mr. Lussier, you have five minutes, please.

February 26th, 2007 / 6:35 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. Ribaux, you talked about what you thought about sustainable transportation. If you had to pick, as a decision-maker, between investing a billion dollars in new environmentally-friendly urban transportation such as a light rail system, or investing a billion dollars in reducing the cost of bus passes, what would you pick? Which one?

6:40 p.m.

General Coordinator and Co-founder, Équiterre

Sidney Ribaux

It's clear that we would invest in the infrastructure first.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

So, you think that it would be more effective to invest in public transit, in order to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

6:40 p.m.

General Coordinator and Co-founder, Équiterre

Sidney Ribaux

Certainly in Quebec a number of public transit systems are already being used to nearly full capacity. I think the situation is similar in the rest of Canada, which means that without more infrastructure, it will be difficult to increase the number of passengers.

In any case, it's a question of accessibility. If the infrastructure is not in place, people can't use it. That is clear.

I would make the following distinction, however: both are important to the extent that building infrastructure does not automatically come with the funding to operate it. This raises an entirely different issue that often needs to be addressed.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you.

Mr. Steeves, you talked about the Federation of Canadian Municipalities. Does this include all municipalities in Quebec?

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

None?

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

Yes, some municipalities in Quebec are members of the federation, but not all.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Okay.

Ms. Middlekoop.

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

I would say there are 120.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

You say 120.

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Ms. Middlekoop, you spoke of an agreement with 150 amalgamations of municipalities. How many of these are in Quebec?

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

There are 120 in Quebec.

6:40 p.m.

Senior Policy Analyst, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Mary Jane Middelkoop

No, I was thinking about the “Partners for Climate Protection” program. I don't have those numbers with me, sorry, but there are definitely some members from Quebec.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Do you know one of them?

6:40 p.m.

Senior Policy Analyst, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thank you.

Are you attentive to the activities of the association of American mayors? Is there any contact between the FCM and this association? Have you already visited model cities like Salt Lake City?

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

Yes, we did. I met with Mayor Nickels of Seattle, who chairs the group. In fact, I met him at COP 11 in Montreal. We have ongoing meetings with the National League of Cities each and every year, and then on a quarterly basis. So we're pretty in touch with our American friends.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

Thus, in the U.S.A., some municipalities are models for greenhouse gas reduction.

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

One of the greatest misnomers about the United States of America is that there are no great things going on in that country, when in fact there really are, especially in some states, particularly in the northwest in the United States, and in larger cities. There are some very progressive ideas.

6:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marcel Lussier Bloc Brossard—La Prairie, QC

What percentage of Canadian municipalities have a greenhouse gas emission reduction program?

6:40 p.m.

First Vice-President, Federation of Canadian Municipalities

Gord Steeves

I do not know the exact number.