Evidence of meeting #24 for Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.
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4:10 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Yes, I understand that, Monsieur Bigras. I would like to confirm your concurrence with the friendly amendments in proposed subsection 20(3).
May I read it one more time for you?
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
No, there's no problem. You were working on proposed subsection 20(4), and we hadn't quite finished proposed subsection 20(3).
En anglais:
The Governor in Council shall make best efforts within three years to make regulations, en collaboration avec les provinces, establishing energy efficiency standards for all energy products
Is that good with you?
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Okay, so that is proposed subsection 20(3) amended in a friendly manner.
Mr. Jean.
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Again, I don't have it in front of me, but just from the sounds of it, it should say “to within three years”, I would suggest. I don't want to be too picky in case there's an English professor here, but it should say “to within three years”.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Well, I would have to look at the wording to see it, but it sounds....
Did Mr. Bigras say “collaboration” or “consultation”?
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Well, I would say it should be “consultation”, because consultation is the appropriate word, and it's appropriate legally.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
As well, I know we don't want our territories to be any more efficient than we are, but it should include the territories as well as the provinces.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
We would therefore say consultation with the provinces and territories? Very well.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Could I ask you, Mr. Chair, just to read the first line slowly again, please?
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Okay.
The Governor in Council shall make best efforts within three years to make regulations, en collaboration avec les provinces et territoires
—“in consultation with the provinces and territories”—
establishing energy-efficient standards for all energy using products
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
I have to argue, Mr. Chair, and I really am not trying to delay this process, because I'd like to get past this, but “best efforts to within three years”, or...best efforts to do what? You're not asking: to do what? Best efforts...?
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
I think it's necessary to talk about what you're doing, best efforts to--
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
You're going back to the wording the way it was before, but I just want to get to a wording that works and that we all understand.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
The intent of this is they are going to make their best efforts within three years to make regulations.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
Are you still saying “to make regulations” is the best efforts? The regulations are not the best efforts. The best efforts are to be within the three years.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
There's an expression here that goes with “pepper”, which I won't repeat.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
Brian Jean Conservative Fort McMurray—Athabasca, AB
It should be “to”, Mr. Chair. I've heard it three times.
4:15 p.m.
Conservative
The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn
Okay, Mr. Jean, let me hear your suggestion and perhaps we'll all agree.
