Evidence of meeting #25 for Bill C-30 (39th Parliament, 1st Session) in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was amendment.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

John Moffet  Acting Director General, Legislation and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment
Michel Arès  Legal Counsel, Department of Justice

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Is there any debate?

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Next is amendment L-10.

1:45 p.m.

Liberal

David McGuinty Liberal Ottawa South, ON

Mr. Chair, I hereby move amendment L-10. It reflects the fact that the bill allows the minister to add air pollutants identified by the scientific community. We want to see Canada move and roll with new scientific knowledge as it comes forward. We are pleased to see it built into this bill, because it was not accurately or adequately reflected in the first draft the government put forward.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Is there any debate?

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

The next is amendment BQ-3, which appears to have been overtaken by other amendments.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Bernard Bigras Bloc Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So I move amendment BQ-3, which defines greenhouse gas emissions as being the total annual emissions, excluding carbon sinks, the national inventory and the levels of 1990. However, I would like to remove the mention of an independent body from the definition.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Your amendment, then, is as printed in our package, with the exception of removing the part of paragraph (b) that talks about the independent body.

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Bernard Bigras Bloc Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

Exactly.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Mr. Moffet, do you have a short comment?

1:45 p.m.

Acting Director General, Legislation and Regulatory Affairs, Environmental Stewardship Branch, Department of the Environment

John Moffet

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

This definition defines greenhouse gas emissions very specifically to include total annual national emissions, whereas the bill uses the term greenhouse gas emissions in numerous ways: in ways that could be applied to individual facilities, to sectors, etc. This would create some significant contradictions, in my opinion.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Is there any debate?

Monsieur Bigras, do you have a comment on that, or considerations concerning it?

1:45 p.m.

Bloc

Bernard Bigras Bloc Rosemont—La Petite-Patrie, QC

No, I ask for the question.

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Okay.

(Amendment negatived) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

1:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

We'll move on to amendment NDP-8.

Mr. Dewar.

1:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I will withdraw that.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Amendment NDP-8 is not moved.

Next is amendment NDP-9.

1:50 p.m.

NDP

Paul Dewar NDP Ottawa Centre, ON

I withdraw it.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Amendment NDP-9 is not moved.

Next is amendment L-11.

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Mr. Chair, this is simply to put in the definitions section “greenhouse gas emissions trading system”, which we have established through amendments.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Is there any debate?

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Next is amendment L-12.

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Again, because we have introduced this whole concept of the carbon budget, we need to define what an individual.... We have various ways of speaking of carbon budgets; this defines an individual carbon budget.

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

Is there any debate?

(Amendment agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

1:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Laurie Hawn

We go to amendment L-13.

1:50 p.m.

Liberal

John Godfrey Liberal Don Valley West, ON

Amendment L-13 is the other side of the coin, if you like. It's “individual carbon deficit”, which again was referred to in the insertion. Therefore, we need to define what that is. It just lines up with what we've done.