I get that.
You get two companies in the same sector in the same country, say, and one is good on ESG and one is not. What would be the difference, if you're invested in both of them, that you would offer those investments at? Would it be a premium of 4% or 5% for the company that is good on ESG versus the one that isn't? How do we get that value into the marketplace?
Also, as we look at investments in China, what type of premium would you need in a Chinese investment versus a similar investment in Canada?