Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.
Dr. Nagy, I'm going to start with you.
You talked about the fact that forced labour is a moral issue. I have to push back on that a bit. The reason is that I believe there are economic impacts when we are seen by the rest of the world as not having, as you say, a principled position.
Dr. Lilly, you talked about the global fabric and the role Canada has to play. If we abdicate our responsibilities with regard to forced labour, are not seen as having principled positions on a number of different fronts and apply human rights and these principles inequitably in different situations, I think it's very problematic. With the way we're seeing China interact in sub-Saharan Africa and South America right now, spaces we are increasingly absent from, that's an economic danger to us, not just an ethical or moral issue.
I'd like to give the floor to Dr. Lilly for her comment first, then, if we have time, to Dr. Nagy.